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Hello Zoë, hello everyone,

Since Thunderbird and GnuPG are translated to French, it would be nice
to localize the screenshots. The problem I am running into is that a
valid email address is needed to go through the whole procedure. I could
create a new email account with my ISP, but some screenshots would look
like advertisements unless the domain name is redacted.

I think it would be much better to use an fsf.org address, either
<esd@fsf.org>, or a localized address (<esd-fr@fsf.org> or
<esd.fr@fsf.org>).
Is this possible? Thanks in advance!

All the best,
Thérèse


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El 30/7/21 a las 23:04, Th=C3=A9r=C3=A8se Godefroy escribi=C3=B3:
> Le 30/07/2021 =C3=A0 22:05, T. E. Kalayci via a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:
>> Hello,
>>
>> Some typos I have noticed:
>>
>> - *step* <a href=3D"#step-2b">*step* 2.b</a>
>> - OpenPGP Manager -> OpenPGP *Key* Manager
>>
>> Best,
>> Emre
>=20
> Thanks, Emre! These typos are fixed (+ a few more).
> I sync'ed the enc-live repo and re-merged the POs.
>=20

updated Spanish po file with recent changes in css style.

Greetings!

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Le 03/08/2021 à 11:55, Andreas Grupp a écrit :
> Hello,
> 
> I'm new here, and I would volunteer for a German translation of the
> Email Self-Defense guide. Is there already someone working on that?
> 
> Regards, Andreas
> 

Hello Andreas,

Welcome, and thanks for joining the gang!

Several peole have worked on previous versions of ESD:
- Fabian Egli <fabian.egli@biol.ethz.ch> in 2019 (version 4)
- raffael <rr@fsfe.org> in 2014 and 2015 (versions 2 and 3)
- Silvan Jegen <s.jegen@gmail.org> in 2014  (version 2)
- Gabriel Pérez-Cerezo <gabriel@gpcf.eu> in 2014 (version 2)

The old translation is here: https://enc-dev0.fsf.org/old/de/

We now use the PO format to make updating easier. Each language has one
PO, which contains the English strings and their translations for all 5
pages.

The German PO file is at the root of the Git repo:
https://enc-dev0.fsf.org/esd-de.po

You can readily see which strings need updating (they are marked fuzzy)
and which ones are not translated. The obsolete strings are commented
out at the bottom. Some of them may still be useful.

You may have read the Translation Guide already, but here is the link
just in case:
https://libreplanet.org/wiki/GPG_guide/Translation_Guide

Happy translating!
Thérèse


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Hello Zoë, hello everybody,

I found a few inconsistencies:

* In Step 1.A

  If you already have an email program, you can skip to
  <a href="#section2">Step 2</a>.

Not really. What you need is an email program with your account set up.
And if you are using macOS or Windows, you still need to go through Step
1B. So, the correct wording would be:

 If you already have an email program with your account set up, and are
 running GNU/Linux, you can skip to <a href="#section2">Section 2</a>.

Why not simply delete this complicated sentence? People who already have
their account set up are not going to set it up once more. They will
scroll down a few lines to step 1B, and then skip to Section 2 if they
are using GNU/Linux.


* In Step 1.B

- s/Step 2/Section 2/  (Step 2 doesn't exist.)

- We probably don't need to mention PowerShell here. This will just
scare Windows users away.
  --> Remove the note?


* In Step 2.A [**]

It's kind of awkward to intercalate a note between a phrase which ends
with a colon, and the list that is supposed to follow.

Proposed rewording:

  <p>We will use the command line in a terminal to create a keypair
  using the GnuPG program.</p>

  <p class="notes">A terminal is installed by default on most
  GNU/Linux systems; if you are on macOS, use "Terminal", as in
  Step 1.B; if you are on Windows, use a program named "PowerShell".
  You can launch your terminal from the Applications menu, or (on
  some GNU/Linux systems) with the <kbd>Ctrl + Alt + T</kbd>
  shortcut.</p>

  <p># Enter <code>gpg --full-generate-key</code> to start the
  process.</p>
  ...
  <p># Choose the expiration date;  we suggest...

(Semi-colon instead of comma between 2 complete sentences.)


* Minor typos:

In Step 2.B - Advanced:
  Refer to <a href="#step-2b">*troubleshoot* in step 2.B</a>...
  --> Refer to <a href="#step-2b">Troubleshooting in Step 2.B</a>

In Step 3.A:  s/step 2.b/Step 2.B/


I pushed a new version to enc.

All the best,
Thérèse


[**] *NOTE about Step 2.A*

This part may scare away quite a few "normal" users, for no good
reason: it is very easy to generate a strong key from the OpenPGP Key
Manager of Thunderbird. No typing is needed if you already have an
email account.

Tools > OpenPGP Key Manager > Generate > New key pair
Identity: autocompleted.
Expiration date: 3y by default (choose from a dropdown list).
Type: RSA (default) or ECC
Size: 3072 (default) or 4096.

The whole process took me less than 30 seconds.

Importing and exporting public and private keys can also be done from
Thunderbird. The only thing that seems to require a terminal is the
revocation certificate.



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Hi!

Apologies for the slow response. See my comments below on the changes.
thanks!

On 03.08.21 18:02, Th=C3=A9r=C3=A8se Godefroy wrote:
> Hello Zo=C3=AB, hello everybody,
>
> I found a few inconsistencies:
>
> * In Step 1.A
>
>    If you already have an email program, you can skip to
>    <a href=3D"#section2">Step 2</a>.
>
> Not really. What you need is an email program with your account set up.=

> And if you are using macOS or Windows, you still need to go through Ste=
p
> 1B. So, the correct wording would be:
>
>   If you already have an email program with your account set up, and ar=
e
>   running GNU/Linux, you can skip to <a href=3D"#section2">Section 2</a=
>.
>
> Why not simply delete this complicated sentence? People who already hav=
e
> their account set up are not going to set it up once more. They will
> scroll down a few lines to step 1B, and then skip to Section 2 if they
> are using GNU/Linux.
I am ok with this change.
>
> * In Step 1.B
>
> - s/Step 2/Section 2/  (Step 2 doesn't exist.)
>
> - We probably don't need to mention PowerShell here. This will just
> scare Windows users away.
>    --> Remove the note?
I am ok with this change.
> * In Step 2.A [**]
>
> It's kind of awkward to intercalate a note between a phrase which ends
> with a colon, and the list that is supposed to follow.
>
> Proposed rewording:
>
>    <p>We will use the command line in a terminal to create a keypair
>    using the GnuPG program.</p>
>
>    <p class=3D"notes">A terminal is installed by default on most
>    GNU/Linux systems; if you are on macOS, use "Terminal", as in
>    Step 1.B; if you are on Windows, use a program named "PowerShell".
>    You can launch your terminal from the Applications menu, or (on
>    some GNU/Linux systems) with the <kbd>Ctrl + Alt + T</kbd>
>    shortcut.</p>
>
>    <p># Enter <code>gpg --full-generate-key</code> to start the
>    process.</p>
>    ...
>    <p># Choose the expiration date;  we suggest...
>
> (Semi-colon instead of comma between 2 complete sentences.)
I am good with all this as well, but it should say "PowerShell" (2 caps)
>
> * Minor typos:
>
> In Step 2.B - Advanced:
>    Refer to <a href=3D"#step-2b">*troubleshoot* in step 2.B</a>...
>    --> Refer to <a href=3D"#step-2b">Troubleshooting in Step 2.B</a>
>
> In Step 3.A:  s/step 2.b/Step 2.B/
OK
>
> I pushed a new version to enc.
>
> All the best,
> Th=C3=A9r=C3=A8se
Thanks Therese

>
> [**] *NOTE about Step 2.A*
>
> This part may scare away quite a few "normal" users, for no good
> reason: it is very easy to generate a strong key from the OpenPGP Key
> Manager of Thunderbird. No typing is needed if you already have an
> email account.
>
> Tools > OpenPGP Key Manager > Generate > New key pair
> Identity: autocompleted.
> Expiration date: 3y by default (choose from a dropdown list).
> Type: RSA (default) or ECC
> Size: 3072 (default) or 4096.
>
> The whole process took me less than 30 seconds.
>
> Importing and exporting public and private keys can also be done from
> Thunderbird. The only thing that seems to require a terminal is the
> revocation certificate.
We are working on expanding the guide further, and this could be part of =

it. We looked at it a bit, but as I understand it the Thunderbird key=20
creation allows you to use the key only in Thunderbird, at this time=20
there are some functionalities that are not ideal yet - Thunderbird uses =

its own copy of keys, and doesn't support synchronizing keys with GnuPG.

Thanks!






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Le 01/08/2021 à 11:21, Thérèse Godefroy a écrit :
> Hello Zoë, hello everyone,
> 
> Since Thunderbird and GnuPG are translated to French, it would be nice
> to localize the screenshots. The problem I am running into is that a
> valid email address is needed to go through the whole procedure. I could
> create a new email account with my ISP, but some screenshots would look
> like advertisements unless the domain name is redacted.
> 
> I think it would be much better to use an fsf.org address, either
> <esd@fsf.org>, or a localized address (<esd-fr@fsf.org> or
> <esd.fr@fsf.org>).
> Is this possible? Thanks in advance!
> 
> All the best,
> Thérèse
> 

Hello again,

I finally created an account with my ISP to make a French version of the
screenshots: <esd.fr@free.fr>.
Is it OK to leave this address on the screenshots?

Thanks!
Thérèse


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Hello all,

The POs got fuzzy again, sorry. Most of the changes are in sections 1
and 2: split paragraphs, rearranged sentences, typos and
inconsistencies, but not much new text.

All the best,
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On 13.08.21 17:23, Th=C3=A9r=C3=A8se Godefroy wrote:
> Le 01/08/2021 =C3=A0 11:21, Th=C3=A9r=C3=A8se Godefroy a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0=
:
>> Hello Zo=C3=AB, hello everyone,
>>
>> Since Thunderbird and GnuPG are translated to French, it would be nice=

>> to localize the screenshots. The problem I am running into is that a
>> valid email address is needed to go through the whole procedure. I cou=
ld
>> create a new email account with my ISP, but some screenshots would loo=
k
>> like advertisements unless the domain name is redacted.
>>
>> I think it would be much better to use an fsf.org address, either
>> <esd@fsf.org>, or a localized address (<esd-fr@fsf.org> or
>> <esd.fr@fsf.org>).
>> Is this possible? Thanks in advance!
>>
>> All the best,
>> Th=C3=A9r=C3=A8se
>>
> Hello again,
>
> I finally created an account with my ISP to make a French version of th=
e
> screenshots: <esd.fr@free.fr>.
> Is it OK to leave this address on the screenshots?
>
> Thanks!
> Th=C3=A9r=C3=A8se
>
HI Therese,

Sorry for not getting back to you sooner on this, I was checking here if =

we would be ok with making/sharing and @fsf email address, and the=20
answer was unsure still.

Using=C2=A0 <esd.fr@free.fr> works, and yes I am ok with you leaving it o=
n=20
the screen as well.

Thanks!




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El 13/8/21 a las 17:59, Zo=C3=AB Kooyman escribi=C3=B3:
> On 13.08.21 17:23, Th=C3=A9r=C3=A8se Godefroy wrote:
>> Le 01/08/2021 =C3=A0 11:21, Th=C3=A9r=C3=A8se Godefroy a =C3=A9crit=C2=
=A0:
>>> Hello Zo=C3=AB, hello everyone,
>>>
>>> Since Thunderbird and GnuPG are translated to French, it would be nic=
e
>>> to localize the screenshots. The problem I am running into is that a
>>> valid email address is needed to go through the whole procedure. I co=
uld
>>> create a new email account with my ISP, but some screenshots would lo=
ok
>>> like advertisements unless the domain name is redacted.
>>>
>>> I think it would be much better to use an fsf.org address, either
>>> <esd@fsf.org>, or a localized address (<esd-fr@fsf.org> or
>>> <esd.fr@fsf.org>).
>>> Is this possible? Thanks in advance!
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>> Th=C3=A9r=C3=A8se
>>>
>> Hello again,
>>
>> I finally created an account with my ISP to make a French version of t=
he
>> screenshots: <esd.fr@free.fr>.
>> Is it OK to leave this address on the screenshots?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Th=C3=A9r=C3=A8se
>>
> HI Therese,
>=20
> Sorry for not getting back to you sooner on this, I was checking here i=
f
> we would be ok with making/sharing and @fsf email address, and the
> answer was unsure still.
>=20
> Using=C2=A0 <esd.fr@free.fr> works, and yes I am ok with you leaving it=
 on
> the screen as well.
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> Thanks!
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Hello!

I always though that maybe could be useful to enlarge the screenshots,
at least those useful for the guide...
Don't konw if that it's useful/possible...

Greetings!

PS: Th=C3=A9r=C3=A8se thanks a lot for your work!! :)

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Hello Victor,

Le 13/08/2021 à 19:24, victorhck via a écrit :
[...]
> Hello!
> 
> I always though that maybe could be useful to enlarge the screenshots,
> at least those useful for the guide...
> Don't konw if that it's useful/possible...
>
Yes, some images are a little too small when the page is divided up in
columns, but they can be displayed at their original size on a different
page via the contextual menu.

> Greetings!
> 
> PS: Thérèse thanks a lot for your work!! :)
> 
You are welcome!




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El 13/8/21 a las 17:38, Th=C3=A9r=C3=A8se Godefroy escribi=C3=B3:
> Hello all,
>=20
> The POs got fuzzy again, sorry. Most of the changes are in sections 1
> and 2: split paragraphs, rearranged sentences, typos and
> inconsistencies, but not much new text.
>=20
> All the best,
> Th=C3=A9r=C3=A8se
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Updated (and reviewed again) the spanish translation.

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El 13/8/21 a las 19:36, Th=C3=A9r=C3=A8se Godefroy escribi=C3=B3:
> Hello Victor,
>=20
> Le 13/08/2021 =C3=A0 19:24, victorhck via a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:
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>> Hello!
>>
>> I always though that maybe could be useful to enlarge the screenshots,=

>> at least those useful for the guide...
>> Don't konw if that it's useful/possible...
>>
> Yes, some images are a little too small when the page is divided up in
> columns, but they can be displayed at their original size on a differen=
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Yes I know, but people it's lazy (at least I am! :) ) and maybe keep the
things easy and simple would help... just my opinion!


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Le 13/08/2021 à 19:58, victorhck via a écrit :
> El 13/8/21 a las 19:36, Thérèse Godefroy escribió:
[...]
>> Yes, some images are a little too small when the page is divided up in
>> columns, but they can be displayed at their original size on a different
>> page via the contextual menu.
>>
> 
> Yes I know, but people it's lazy (at least I am! :) ) and maybe keep the
> things easy and simple would help... just my opinion!
> 
> 
> Greetings!

What's ironic is that the screenshots are smaller on larger screens...


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On 13.08.21 20:03, Thérèse Godefroy wrote:
> Le 13/08/2021 à 19:58, victorhck via a écrit :
>> El 13/8/21 a las 19:36, Thérèse Godefroy escribió:
> [...]
>>> Yes, some images are a little too small when the page is divided up in
>>> columns, but they can be displayed at their original size on a different
>>> page via the contextual menu.
>>>
>> Yes I know, but people it's lazy (at least I am! :) ) and maybe keep the
>> things easy and simple would help... just my opinion!
>>
>>
>> Greetings!
> What's ironic is that the screenshots are smaller on larger screens...
I don't actually mind the size it is right now, and like Thérèse said 
people can view images separately. But if you think it would be 
beneficial we could potentially play a bit with the balance size sidebar 
vs main in css. 2-5% could make a small difference I guess.


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Seems that never is finished and always there's something to polish...
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Le 24/08/2021 à 19:12, victorhck via a écrit :
> El 28/7/21 a las 19:07, victorhck via escribió:
>> Hello listmates!
>>
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>> review again the whole text. Please proofreading, improvements, fixing
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>> 've phun!
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> Seems that never is finished and always there's something to polish...
> Fixed some typos and improved spanish translation...
> 
> Greetings
> 

Hi Victor,

I regenerated the HTML, and pushed the changes to enc and enc-live.

All the best,
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Hi Everyone,

It's a constant process indeed! I have just processed some feedback that =

got through into some of the Troubleshoot items.

2.a - if gpg doesn't work gpg2 works in some distributions
2.b - uploading to a keyserver directly
4.b - manually import edward's key

I have loaded them to Enc and to Enc-live.
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Le 27/08/2021 à 01:48, Zoë Kooyman a écrit :
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> It's a constant process indeed! I have just processed some feedback that
> got through into some of the Troubleshoot items.
> 
> 2.a - if gpg doesn't work gpg2 works in some distributions
> 2.b - uploading to a keyserver directly
> 4.b - manually import edward's key
> 
> I have loaded them to Enc and to Enc-live.
> Would you mind updating the POs Thérèse when you get a minute? let me
> know if you need help!
> 
> Thanks so much
> 

Hi everyone,

The POs are ready. Have fun!

Best,
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Le 28/08/2021 à 18:47, victorhck a écrit :
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> updated spanish translation.
> 
> Thanks!
> 

Hello Victor,

Your updates are on enc-live. Thanks to you!

Best,
Thérèse


