From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Apr 01 11:05:18 2018 Received: from list by lists.fsf.org with public_archive (Exim 4.71) id 1f2eXl-00046t-FA for mharc-esd-translators@fsf.org; Sun, 01 Apr 2018 11:05:17 -0400 Received: from mail.fsf.org ([208.118.235.13]:33860) by lists.fsf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f2eXj-00044z-2r for esd-translators@fsf.org; Sun, 01 Apr 2018 11:05:15 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on mail.fsf.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_40, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:52497) by mail.fsf.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1f2eXi-0006x0-JN for esd-translators@fsf.org; Sun, 01 Apr 2018 11:05:14 -0400 Received: from ineiev by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1f2eXi-0001CD-Cu; Sun, 01 Apr 2018 11:05:14 -0400 Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2018 11:05:14 -0400 From: Ineiev To: Kateryna Razumova Message-ID: <20180401150513.GL4935@gnu.org> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="fJQl6v7wpCzjkhZo" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-detected-operating-system: by mail.fsf.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] Cc: esd-translators@fsf.org Subject: Re: [ESD-translators] ESD guide proposal (translation, video, new infographics) for Outreachy X-BeenThere: esd-translators@fsf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2018 15:05:16 -0000 --fJQl6v7wpCzjkhZo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Kateryna; On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 03:31:56PM +0200, Kateryna Razumova wrote: > In this email I want to summarize my contribution for "Updating the > Email Self-Defense Guide" Outreachy project. >=20 > First of all, I made a patch changing the text of a web page (attached). > Secondly, I created a xetex printable version of the first page of the > infographics: https://github.com/KateRazumova/esd_guide > After that I made several posts reasoning what should I do (from my > point of view): > https://medium.com/p/proposal-for-outreachy-project-sketches-for-new-info= graphics-esd-guide-8287c12a61c5 I wonder whether it would make sense to show different kinds of spies as well as different users. some people would happily let their government find out anything about them (not sure about foreign governments), but are concerned about commercial surveillance; 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Here is my planned sequence: [1] What is Email Surveillance?/ Why do you need encryption and authentication? 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And I made Russian translation. It seems it is quite realistic to make such translations with po4a. https://github.com/KateRazumova/esd_guide/blob/master/ru_esd_guide.pdf This is a proof of concept. Yours truly, Kateryna Razumova. From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Apr 03 12:34:59 2018 Received: from list by lists.fsf.org with public_archive (Exim 4.71) id 1f3Otf-0002us-0G for mharc-esd-translators@fsf.org; Tue, 03 Apr 2018 12:34:59 -0400 Received: from mail.fsf.org ([208.118.235.13]:56301) by lists.fsf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f3Otb-0002um-2c for esd-translators@fsf.org; Tue, 03 Apr 2018 12:34:57 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on mail.fsf.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, SPF_PASS, T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from mail-it0-f48.google.com ([209.85.214.48]:37740) by mail.fsf.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1f3Ota-0003JL-Qi for esd-translators@fsf.org; Tue, 03 Apr 2018 12:34:54 -0400 Received: by mail-it0-f48.google.com with SMTP id 71-v6so21638459ith.2 for ; Tue, 03 Apr 2018 09:34:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=TS88I4YYtErwZXtZ8agTdJPVFpuDEQVATGKlH2nsDsM=; b=W8MtaVGy/EewybS5/DM4NYT3syllCv/hMQ0s7211vV3jH9XPYuVHaEIyPSESzPCkQ/ HNMt6H+kOA+WIsJ5OHFXtUewkmjri3HoCZEPMiIR6584hPNpwsYL4ePwuWVwMpr36n8J lZlXjnqi3Gu/imzlNL8p5YuqVYArZNS3u1nshKxljfG4jZwT6xKxsD5pTYV2yAS9R/S2 DAb1Go3FrtQ0mHOaTPwVn0t+yDiKPM3oO1vf0MEkWfC4S7RfT5ccwhT1itjmCvIROj2Q 0DQVWoILkNBmA6/T71BKMQwD28ASzdTAA5FpgD7Zs+q+fgKwdlqfDzn7nJ8EEJzMNah4 fL3g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=TS88I4YYtErwZXtZ8agTdJPVFpuDEQVATGKlH2nsDsM=; b=jzA5og2sX4LU46leB0hRbREi0mWuw+IqM+ITmHuqYmatGZidCk7U15T5QI68wzbzNH EwEGzf9C7/rbYjUFTD2DN7a2gwZoj4YbmwzMA01ja7GwbJ8b4Wn3ndfYf96B1ZOIq1MB yyfUlAm43EyEFyJNJBfizPLOx02WBz/Kdo9SI6NIY4C63ZPEYs6TCw+mES68ysZ0+Ln/ fQd+SEmN4TfqFI/QbhpA+9BReVerXyPagfU6mAfZFM8oijNzFqNveNiVUpsM1Qfknnk0 7sKprAD7XjQtf5+kh+gfVOharbi2s/oqtxDflQuh/IH1egtTq8532hctbqLQpOM7ZiS8 Tvkg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALQs6tCe62kX4+snuOPOAuuTERqyYC7n9tRdcJrwU5Y6eA6GqbHakQIW oEjQas7HWs5XvENwwXlU8qQhrxOxlqhrGAJ/bhc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AIpwx48ukb19jT4uvLvnxrpvwgkK6jsPexy1qCbGHUEAWw0IwrZZw8NWeJRnI0X4gbFG/bW++Mt79IJSAHxhL05n8v0= X-Received: by 2002:a24:2d0a:: with SMTP id x10-v6mr2987831itx.95.1522773293177; Tue, 03 Apr 2018 09:34:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.79.209.225 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Apr 2018 09:34:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20180401150513.GL4935@gnu.org> References: <20180401150513.GL4935@gnu.org> From: Kateryna Razumova Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2018 18:34:52 +0200 Message-ID: To: Ineiev Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by mail.fsf.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] Cc: esd-translators@fsf.org Subject: Re: [ESD-translators] ESD guide proposal (translation, video, new infographics) for Outreachy X-BeenThere: esd-translators@fsf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2018 16:34:58 -0000 > I wonder whether it would make sense to show different kinds of spies > as well as different users. some people would happily let their > government find out anything about them (not sure about foreign > governments), but are concerned about commercial surveillance; > whereas many other people have the exactly opposite attitude. I think that if people are concerned about their email privacy it doesn=E2=80=99t really matter who spies on them (government or commercial organisations). Besides picturing different types of spies can overload the infographics which in my case already has types of senders. Yours truly, Kateryna Razumova. From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Apr 03 13:09:11 2018 Received: from list by lists.fsf.org with public_archive (Exim 4.71) id 1f3PQk-0003yM-OZ for mharc-esd-translators@fsf.org; Tue, 03 Apr 2018 13:09:10 -0400 Received: from mail.fsf.org ([208.118.235.13]:59481) by lists.fsf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f3PQi-0003yF-LJ for esd-translators@fsf.org; Tue, 03 Apr 2018 13:09:09 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on mail.fsf.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, SPF_PASS, T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from mail-io0-f176.google.com ([209.85.223.176]:46081) by mail.fsf.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1f3PQd-0007K1-Jr; Tue, 03 Apr 2018 13:09:03 -0400 Received: by mail-io0-f176.google.com with SMTP id q80so22857430ioi.13; Tue, 03 Apr 2018 10:09:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=bF1HS6EGx8WeyKp1oIyOaPn6pxwGQ0gHAYqCQ18Wchw=; b=tAv0m2vAUmooXxD39Ghd4Pf6Q77U9DWmF5Brw4YWUyIwBNvzlelWut7pqI6n3rp3dY i2I1IX4ynguYKrMdvvEKOkmUrUuqi5J+W/FK5a5VJuXo3pFCc838SjST8ZIPwWlfwXZT XpPnR7K1aVRA73+AFMAepwFK17qK9vPiFLMKMHCSGVfwmgHCHxHPNqyhRCx08z7SKffU HcAjN5KyW7mrvJTRNMRk7MHnWniw03/lCyRncm6M77V7QdANWYt90dPhtLGIBTWzdFJS OrwG6rgknCz6wX4XU1yXLgOtgHsCFABYN/+XJvAwYHtMsyVLnpcbYYY6Z/evmYR3jigC X1rg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=bF1HS6EGx8WeyKp1oIyOaPn6pxwGQ0gHAYqCQ18Wchw=; b=ntJfBYe2Z+ka99L5idKdsN1DbVnxeGayfNBmbZXk/XFEFCSt132YZHb2OVEU16GNmg MuBwaJ0VTzQgouK7dWWpgNCnr5yp3qSR6r8JNdHRcbbDnRhZNMvIciSESBkFvHRj+LgE BzJk6vjIxNl7TReXy3v3k+2hV72kUqPd4KrwslRNDn+rJ0+S0nohucMGsFZ1fyzN8kZ/ I/nLlwjFBYBpDkG+dbjDZn806GiDsU0C4db0g4RFcCROFQlc8JwgzcCGZCzF81/lphXx N2BxULsYmiImOslknexRKAF+Y48gYyJXewR1f2ZQhjHqYiUS7i+9W/o4TsXa9BxEN9M8 4N/g== X-Gm-Message-State: ALQs6tCupXuM668Xhx18kUgdtGjIjWHJJMG5RciZ6IoPbCag6mRfWADG hcLnXA8fD3VEkKLYBcjGKG5TqwvCnfcyVKaB7BQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AIpwx497P0h2vThoABOHhj4DkMxeHLzVBIIO3gm6Uu5Hd4YNFSsu//Ikmhn8QXiiJr6NlhmLDUpx082u3lvKe0Uwsu0= X-Received: by 10.107.38.206 with SMTP id m197mr13059400iom.11.1522775341669; Tue, 03 Apr 2018 10:09:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.79.209.225 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Apr 2018 10:09:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9c54ecb0-4897-12a8-ee9c-84b9364c431e@gmail.com> References: <9c54ecb0-4897-12a8-ee9c-84b9364c431e@gmail.com> From: Kateryna Razumova Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2018 19:09:00 +0200 Message-ID: To: Tomas Stary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by mail.fsf.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] Cc: esd-translators@fsf.org Subject: Re: [ESD-translators] Slides for workshop in Prague X-BeenThere: esd-translators@fsf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2018 17:09:09 -0000 > I am not aware of any slides made for that purpose at all. In theory we > could just put the websites on a projector screen and go along with > that, but it might be more professional to do libreoffice or latex > (beamer) slides with the manual + some more relevant information (e.g. > why the encryption matter, what do other organisations say about > encryption, generating password using the diceware method). Do you have > any other suggestions what should the slide include? What format would > you use? Who is the target audience? What is its technical experience? What is the main purpose of the presentation? How many slides should be there? What =E2=80=9Cother organizations=E2=80=9D? Do you have some examples? I tried to make the infographics and its translation in latex (xetex). It seems it=E2=80=99s working. https://github.com/KateRazumova/esd_guide So maybe it is possible to create the presentation in latex. What about mobile email privacy? There exists AGP - android implementation of PGP. What does fsf think about it? Yours truly, Kateryna Razumova. 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[163.172.67.180]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 142sm1673909wmq.47.2018.04.03.10.34.45 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 03 Apr 2018 10:34:47 -0700 (PDT) To: Kateryna Razumova References: <9c54ecb0-4897-12a8-ee9c-84b9364c431e@gmail.com> From: Tomas Stary Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=tomichec@gmail.com; keydata= xsBNBFMCNhABCADy6MES/DD7lUFk14wC5xOd6r7aa1s6vZMjAtSueTluOWHYjMNT8cvrSXoz pqrlgfWDUre2p0vFbNxZAfePboltVcyUNjO7eKpPtjhhxYWHFYFY9qNjYipX1RwHA1xaKRPy bqcNgvuQxBdw0R6TZu7m1wS6cC0GIUyWQLyZGygg3gyIdzhYeUmUfLvcmvTMSRsxEWgjo5ZI c4+2lYdh/YQbYhqO86O6h5ZtYOYcZPRlvTJfikMJyB/dDUhVI46qHE/olMG8s6z1D8D9GQIB uCJ6GhQnGbst+Mg2XD2UjDVwFnKrIJqrDpmGKbiYM5dxdT9XwH35Q5aaIp1stndVompvABEB AAHNIFRvbWFzIFN0YXJ5IDx0b21pY2hlY0BnbWFpbC5jb20+wsB/BBMBAgApAhsDBwsJCAcD AgEGFQgCCQoLBBYCAwECHgECF4AFAlltBKwFCQotNZwACgkQNP6tNcbMStZCZggAww35scLy 2HfJlOwMm0cn1XPaglQXup3poE0BdSq/RBk9JHt+NMRbMG2x6bJ+m6OCIXmsSULsp4xfzeQb SMBeOT9YSD26wr1vl/90B1qK7jXvMyM3lOEvHzXEgO64cifzs0N2Fb6JMoOqZor4vsK02BeE Qyy1QuI3RG2IeVLOB75iEPVwiJ7o7tUNmiXdugup1A9TJ4LNJd+KK6xH9EZLhGvy9efwlJba z4/rZKlRwvr3hxRcP2xtjJC/VLwTgaihdtuH/vMfAKpFxxIChqfoVyHDkezNUtLpjOD0oBWa ArOrgAncsSlBUQHeUEb4B3oVgPpacSFkNIlPgSRJEf77Os7ATQRTAjYQAQgA5qB9byhX8yNC YZRjoTOnc7F/vF3nVAIM4uDbPYhpMl3U++/RUXl5ZsNZMAx1PiE5ifeVbEzpYKX91PgC6kdO 4WqxcZzOLgezOgjECppB6QNysOYduqeVYz16fU1Ym8mFwPGoubQm8rX9lNp8Qm78Hg1ekBQX xxhIT6k/AjP52S8Kyd2CHdul7BsvLsRUeuREqX/j3Fmj3NiFNqxD7LEfVilIBSs7VIP68X5S cF0YpWcI1XY/URDPutfFsLYaE3+Fl0dL3+Az83hMH+K6a8hh5H/aNQxxwdYm8Ke625snV5yx Qe6dtwuqdK8wxIjXMMn7Vi1lxg70BoBWMZWcNVuIkQARAQABwsBlBBgBAgAPAhsMBQJZbQUm BQkKLTYWAAoJEDT+rTXGzErWo9kIAJzF7GInXolu0FNA9DasvRRz0aDINw5i+Lvl08PsI9v+ YUVA/bEJuCo2uMhDys3Vk9NSjv3+X/lg84PBj+2R6j+GcM0X//H6T4osfzawr9Pwiroov7yT EHCaX+zGf5JRfvyQfRcDgDJx1KtfCwKbOJ/aieAkheF53z5dUiIO4tieHGCvZWpvXg1z1c/+ bFRW9zfVuWeo/ysD/8vJpPgY+oaZFnYf3hGy4m4p1yl8kvgcCvpx8nGDwVY4tsXOkBzaGwzD xCgvUaDg49MG4eFGn3ieVtcdMxgTkJJaL4MHwsaeUT37FTa5zkwtdECwr50xFJq3Uwf70fws O9X7ghy+Ut8= Message-ID: <0fd0373b-7736-4895-8418-c2299de0bb56@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2018 19:34:43 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en-US X-detected-operating-system: by mail.fsf.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] Cc: esd-translators@fsf.org Subject: Re: [ESD-translators] Slides for workshop in Prague X-BeenThere: esd-translators@fsf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2018 17:34:55 -0000 Hi Kate, For the purpose of the workshop we would primarily like to target journalists, but in fact anyone is welcome to join. We would like to help to rise awareness about the importance of encryption. The required technical skills are minimal, i.e. basic user knowledge. There should be somewhere between 15-30 slides or as many as it is necessary and feasible to go through in a 60-90 minutes workshop. By the organisations I ment organisations like state inteligence etc. (perhaps it is not the main point though). Well done for the infographics! It's great you changed it to LaTeX, I'm a big fan of the program and would definitely prefer the slides to be in latex. I plan to start working on it whenever I find some time. Any contributions and help would be highly appreciated. Great point about the mobile encryption. This weekend I installed OpenKeychain (Easy PGP) which is a free software encryption tool for mobile (Replicant, Android, LinageOS) available from a free software F-droid repository. It should be compatible with K-9 email client and other application (like XMPP chat program Conversations). I have started experimenting and hope to have a working PGP on my tablet (LineageOS) soo= n. I am not stating an official FSF opinion, but I think that any privacy-focused work is welcome, as long as it is based on a free software. Both K-9 and OpenKeychain are free software, however Android comes with pre-installed non-free packages. However, similarly to Windows and Apple manuals, if we don't encourage their use, it should be fine to provide manual to those who already use Android, but we shouldn't forget those who already use Replicant. All the best, Tomas On 04/03/2018 07:09 PM, Kateryna Razumova wrote: >> I am not aware of any slides made for that purpose at all. In theory w= e >> could just put the websites on a projector screen and go along with >> that, but it might be more professional to do libreoffice or latex >> (beamer) slides with the manual + some more relevant information (e.g.= >> why the encryption matter, what do other organisations say about >> encryption, generating password using the diceware method). Do you hav= e >> any other suggestions what should the slide include? What format would= >> you use? > Who is the target audience? What is its technical experience? What is > the main purpose of the presentation? How many slides should be there? > What =E2=80=9Cother organizations=E2=80=9D? Do you have some examples? > > I tried to make the infographics and its translation in latex (xetex). > It seems it=E2=80=99s working. > > https://github.com/KateRazumova/esd_guide > > So maybe it is possible to create the presentation in latex. > > > What about mobile email privacy? There exists AGP - android > implementation of PGP. What does fsf think about it? > > Yours truly, > Kateryna Razumova. 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I have signal/matrix/telegram". How to answer this question? Maybe it is good to show a general picture where GnuPG is only a part of it. 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Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en-US X-detected-operating-system: by mail.fsf.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] Cc: esd-translators@fsf.org Subject: Re: [ESD-translators] Slides for workshop in Prague X-BeenThere: esd-translators@fsf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2018 21:05:01 -0000 1. you might want to access encrypted emails on your phone 2. GPG is simple and well tested technology 3. signal and telegram are centralised technology, while GPG can be used on any data and decentralised services like email, I would also like to set it up for chat on XMPP. This is important, because it provides more censorship resistence (telegram actually censors some groups [1]). (I don't know what matrix is) [1] https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/telegram-censoring-isis/ 4. you can use web-of-trust to assess validity of certificates On 04/03/2018 10:47 PM, Kateryna Razumova wrote: > There is also an interesting question.There will be a question: > "why do I need it? I have signal/matrix/telegram". How to answer this > question? Maybe it is good to show a general picture where GnuPG is > only a part of it. 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I will try to translate to understandable language. > 1. you might want to access encrypted emails on your phone > "You can access your data anywhere on any device if you have a key" > 2. GPG is simple and well tested technology > It is hard to translate because though GPG is simple telegram/signal are simple too (much more simple from the user side). "The GPG technology is very reliable and easy to use" "Anyone can audit it and thousands of people already did it" > 3. signal and telegram are centralised technology, while GPG can be used > on any data and decentralised services like email, I would also like to > set it up for chat on XMPP. This is important, because it provides more > censorship resistence (telegram actually censors some groups [1]). (I > don't know what matrix is) > The bad news is that most of users don't care about centralized/decentralized. It is more a technological term not a user experience one. I would translate these point like: "The technology is very reliable and independent from other layers (mail server provider, chat server)" > [1] https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/telegram-censoring-isis/ > > 4. you can use web-of-trust to assess validity of certificates > "The technology allows you to identify and be identified" or "The technology allows you to verify identity of your partner (interlocutor)" I tried to make these points more understandable for people who far from IT. Yours truly, Kateryna Razumova. 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On 04/04/2018 12:20 AM, Kateryna Razumova wrote: > 2018-04-03 23:04 GMT+02:00 Tomas Stary : > > I agree with all these points, but how they can be represented in > terms of user experience? I will try to translate to understandable > language. > >> 1. you might want to access encrypted emails on your phone >> > "You can access your data anywhere on any device if you have a key" Yes, provided that you have a compatible program for decryption. The point is that you might already be using GPG on your laptop, but perhaps you sometimes prefer to access it on the phone. It would be inconvenient to have to get your laptop out any time when you want to read encrypted email. > >> 2. GPG is simple and well tested technology >> > It is hard to translate because though GPG is simple telegram/signal > are simple too (much more simple from the user side). > "The GPG technology is very reliable and easy to use" > "Anyone can audit it and thousands of people already did it" Perhaps simple is not the right term. What I meant is that it follow the UNIX ideology, where each program does only one thing and does it well. The result is then achieved by combining those elementary programs together. Also it is easier to replace a particular element by an alternative one. The telegram/signal might be simple from programmers perspective, but I guess there are not many people who understand their insides. Although they are good as at least their client is free software (which unfortunately cannot be said about the server-side). Your translation sounds good :) >> 3. signal and telegram are centralised technology, while GPG can be us= ed >> on any data and decentralised services like email, I would also like t= o >> set it up for chat on XMPP. This is important, because it provides mor= e >> censorship resistence (telegram actually censors some groups [1]). (I >> don't know what matrix is) >> > The bad news is that most of users don't care about > centralized/decentralized. It is more a technological term not a user > experience one. > I would translate these point like: > "The technology is very reliable and independent from other layers > (mail server provider, chat server)" > They might start caring if you explain them the drawback. Or if their government starts blocking the service, which is much easier for centralised service -- as some countries already did [2] [2] http://telegramgeeks.com/2017/07/telegram-blocked-indonesia/ The translation sounds good :) >> [1] https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/telegram-censoring-isis/ >> >> 4. you can use web-of-trust to assess validity of certificates >> > "The technology allows you to identify and be identified" > or > "The technology allows you to verify identity of your partner (interloc= utor)" The second one sounds much better. > > I tried to make these points more understandable for people who far fro= m IT. > > Yours truly, > Kateryna Razumova. 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Wed, 04 Apr 2018 14:05:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.79.209.225 with HTTP; Wed, 4 Apr 2018 14:05:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20180404161931.GO4935@gnu.org> References: <9c54ecb0-4897-12a8-ee9c-84b9364c431e@gmail.com> <0fd0373b-7736-4895-8418-c2299de0bb56@gmail.com> <20180404161931.GO4935@gnu.org> From: Kateryna Razumova Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2018 23:05:33 +0200 Message-ID: To: Ineiev Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-detected-operating-system: by mail.fsf.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] Cc: esd-translators@fsf.org Subject: Re: [ESD-translators] Slides for workshop in Prague X-BeenThere: esd-translators@fsf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2018 21:05:40 -0000 I made a structure of the presentation: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ykfFRzMH6cx6FbPOEUF5Nsr4NTQmcKr5bNgDZZT-fiw/edit?usp=sharing Any feedback is welcome. Yours truly, Kateryna Razumova. 2018-04-04 18:19 GMT+02:00 Ineiev : > Hello, > > On Wed, Apr 04, 2018 at 12:20:10AM +0200, Kateryna Razumova wrote: >> "The GPG technology is very reliable and easy to use" > > To tell the truth, many people complain about its usability. > >> "Anyone can audit it and thousands of people already did it" > > I wonder if we can easily list a half-dozen independent audits. 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And here is a bonus: https://medium.com/@ekateryna.razumova/proposal-for-outreachy-project-sketc= hes-for-new-infographics-esd-guide-latex-version-9f730632c274 As I said, it is a work in progress but the main idea is there. Yours truly, Kateryna Razumova. 2018-04-03 18:34 GMT+02:00 Kateryna Razumova = : >> I wonder whether it would make sense to show different kinds of spies >> as well as different users. some people would happily let their >> government find out anything about them (not sure about foreign >> governments), but are concerned about commercial surveillance; >> whereas many other people have the exactly opposite attitude. > > I think that if people are concerned about their email privacy it > doesn=E2=80=99t really matter who spies on them (government or commercial > organisations). Besides picturing different types of spies can > overload the infographics which in my case already has types of > senders. > > Yours truly, > Kateryna Razumova. 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[77.247.181.165]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b40sm19745013wrb.88.2018.04.06.05.12.34 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 06 Apr 2018 05:12:40 -0700 (PDT) To: Kateryna Razumova , Ineiev References: <9c54ecb0-4897-12a8-ee9c-84b9364c431e@gmail.com> <0fd0373b-7736-4895-8418-c2299de0bb56@gmail.com> <20180404161931.GO4935@gnu.org> From: Tomas Stary Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=tomichec@gmail.com; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= xsBNBFMCNhABCADy6MES/DD7lUFk14wC5xOd6r7aa1s6vZMjAtSueTluOWHYjMNT8cvrSXoz pqrlgfWDUre2p0vFbNxZAfePboltVcyUNjO7eKpPtjhhxYWHFYFY9qNjYipX1RwHA1xaKRPy bqcNgvuQxBdw0R6TZu7m1wS6cC0GIUyWQLyZGygg3gyIdzhYeUmUfLvcmvTMSRsxEWgjo5ZI c4+2lYdh/YQbYhqO86O6h5ZtYOYcZPRlvTJfikMJyB/dDUhVI46qHE/olMG8s6z1D8D9GQIB uCJ6GhQnGbst+Mg2XD2UjDVwFnKrIJqrDpmGKbiYM5dxdT9XwH35Q5aaIp1stndVompvABEB AAHNIFRvbWFzIFN0YXJ5IDx0b21pY2hlY0BnbWFpbC5jb20+wsB/BBMBAgApAhsDBwsJCAcD AgEGFQgCCQoLBBYCAwECHgECF4AFAlltBKwFCQotNZwACgkQNP6tNcbMStZCZggAww35scLy 2HfJlOwMm0cn1XPaglQXup3poE0BdSq/RBk9JHt+NMRbMG2x6bJ+m6OCIXmsSULsp4xfzeQb SMBeOT9YSD26wr1vl/90B1qK7jXvMyM3lOEvHzXEgO64cifzs0N2Fb6JMoOqZor4vsK02BeE Qyy1QuI3RG2IeVLOB75iEPVwiJ7o7tUNmiXdugup1A9TJ4LNJd+KK6xH9EZLhGvy9efwlJba z4/rZKlRwvr3hxRcP2xtjJC/VLwTgaihdtuH/vMfAKpFxxIChqfoVyHDkezNUtLpjOD0oBWa ArOrgAncsSlBUQHeUEb4B3oVgPpacSFkNIlPgSRJEf77Os7ATQRTAjYQAQgA5qB9byhX8yNC YZRjoTOnc7F/vF3nVAIM4uDbPYhpMl3U++/RUXl5ZsNZMAx1PiE5ifeVbEzpYKX91PgC6kdO 4WqxcZzOLgezOgjECppB6QNysOYduqeVYz16fU1Ym8mFwPGoubQm8rX9lNp8Qm78Hg1ekBQX xxhIT6k/AjP52S8Kyd2CHdul7BsvLsRUeuREqX/j3Fmj3NiFNqxD7LEfVilIBSs7VIP68X5S cF0YpWcI1XY/URDPutfFsLYaE3+Fl0dL3+Az83hMH+K6a8hh5H/aNQxxwdYm8Ke625snV5yx Qe6dtwuqdK8wxIjXMMn7Vi1lxg70BoBWMZWcNVuIkQARAQABwsBlBBgBAgAPAhsMBQJZbQUm BQkKLTYWAAoJEDT+rTXGzErWo9kIAJzF7GInXolu0FNA9DasvRRz0aDINw5i+Lvl08PsI9v+ YUVA/bEJuCo2uMhDys3Vk9NSjv3+X/lg84PBj+2R6j+GcM0X//H6T4osfzawr9Pwiroov7yT EHCaX+zGf5JRfvyQfRcDgDJx1KtfCwKbOJ/aieAkheF53z5dUiIO4tieHGCvZWpvXg1z1c/+ bFRW9zfVuWeo/ysD/8vJpPgY+oaZFnYf3hGy4m4p1yl8kvgcCvpx8nGDwVY4tsXOkBzaGwzD xCgvUaDg49MG4eFGn3ieVtcdMxgTkJJaL4MHwsaeUT37FTa5zkwtdECwr50xFJq3Uwf70fws O9X7ghy+Ut8= Message-ID: <73df9b2e-d45e-497b-53ce-6ab3c8fa52d2@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2018 14:12:30 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en-US X-detected-operating-system: by mail.fsf.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] Cc: esd-translators@fsf.org Subject: Re: [ESD-translators] Slides for workshop in Prague X-BeenThere: esd-translators@fsf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2018 12:12:48 -0000 That's a great start, Kate. Thank you! It would also be nice to add another point about the importance of Free Software as the encryption on device based on proprietary software is not as secure. Should I bootstrap the git repository for the presentation, or would you like to do it? Thanks again! Tomas On 04/04/2018 11:05 PM, Kateryna Razumova wrote: > I made a structure of the presentation: > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ykfFRzMH6cx6FbPOEUF5Nsr4NTQmcKr5bNg= DZZT-fiw/edit?usp=3Dsharing > > Any feedback is welcome. > Yours truly, > Kateryna Razumova. > > > 2018-04-04 18:19 GMT+02:00 Ineiev : >> Hello, >> >> On Wed, Apr 04, 2018 at 12:20:10AM +0200, Kateryna Razumova wrote: >>> "The GPG technology is very reliable and easy to use" >> To tell the truth, many people complain about its usability. >> >>> "Anyone can audit it and thousands of people already did it" >> I wonder if we can easily list a half-dozen independent audits. 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Thank you! > > It would also be nice to add another point about the importance of Free > Software as the encryption on device based on proprietary software is > not as secure. The document is open for commenting, and I have added you to the list of editors. Now you can change it :) > > Should I bootstrap the git repository for the presentation, or would you > like to do it? I propose you to do it since you have more information about the event. Also, it would be great if you add some readme file with basic conceptions to follow. Or maybe even a latex/beamer template. Yours truly, Kateryna Razumova. 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charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-detected-operating-system: by mail.fsf.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] Cc: esd-translators@fsf.org Subject: [ESD-translators] Slides for workshop in Prague X-BeenThere: esd-translators@fsf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2018 16:13:44 -0000 Hi Kate, everyone, I have now uploaded the bootstrap of the presentation slides for the workshop to the github: https://github.com/tomichec/esd-workshop It is based on LaTeX presentation framework Beamer and svg files from the infographic. It is still very raw version and will require a lot of further work. I can think of the following tasks: 1. define some nice beamer style for the global outlook and some frames for the individual quotes, definitions, lists etc. 2. improve the text of the individual slides, add further meaningful text 3. include more graphics in the workshop section to guide the participants through the workshop. Feel free to share, modify and send pull requests back. Any contributions are highly appreciated! Many thanks, Tomas On 04/06/2018 03:42 PM, Kateryna Razumova wrote: > 2018-04-06 14:12 GMT+02:00 Tomas Stary : >> That's a great start, Kate. Thank you! >> >> It would also be nice to add another point about the importance of Free >> Software as the encryption on device based on proprietary software is >> not as secure. > The document is open for commenting, and I have added you to the list > of editors. Now you can change it :) >> Should I bootstrap the git repository for the presentation, or would you >> like to do it? > I propose you to do it since you have more information about the > event. Also, it would be great if you add some readme file with basic > conceptions to follow. Or maybe even a latex/beamer template. > > > Yours truly, > Kateryna Razumova. 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It is still very raw version and will require a lot of > further work. I can think of the following tasks: > > 1. define some nice beamer style for the global outlook and some frames > for the individual quotes, definitions, lists etc. > > 2. improve the text of the individual slides, add further meaningful text > > 3. include more graphics in the workshop section to guide the > participants through the workshop. > > Feel free to share, modify and send pull requests back. Any > contributions are highly appreciated! > > Many thanks, > > Tomas Maybe it is better to use eps instead of svg? Then, there will be no need to transform something to pdf. And latex works smoothly with eps. Or is eps a bad format? 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charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-detected-operating-system: by mail.fsf.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] Cc: esd-translators@fsf.org Subject: Re: [ESD-translators] Slides for workshop in Prague X-BeenThere: esd-translators@fsf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2018 19:13:06 -0000 Do you have any problem with converting the svg files into pdf and including those into latex? If you have inkscape installed it should do it automatically by running `make` inside the directory of the repository. In principle we could convert svg to eps (encapsulated postscript) instead of pdf (their format is comparable), however I would like to keep the svg files too as they are easy to edit with inkscape and other editors, which is probably not true about eps. If you cannot convert easily, I could also upload the files there, or send them to you via email. T. Kateryna Razumova: > Yours truly, > Kateryna Razumova. > > > 2018-04-08 18:13 GMT+02:00 Tomas Stary : >> Hi Kate, everyone, >> >> I have now uploaded the bootstrap of the presentation slides for the >> workshop to the github: >> >> https://github.com/tomichec/esd-workshop >> >> It is based on LaTeX presentation framework Beamer and svg files from >> the infographic. It is still very raw version and will require a lot of >> further work. I can think of the following tasks: >> >> 1. define some nice beamer style for the global outlook and some frames >> for the individual quotes, definitions, lists etc. >> >> 2. improve the text of the individual slides, add further meaningful text >> >> 3. include more graphics in the workshop section to guide the >> participants through the workshop. >> >> Feel free to share, modify and send pull requests back. Any >> contributions are highly appreciated! >> >> Many thanks, >> >> Tomas > Maybe it is better to use eps instead of svg? Then, there will be no > need to transform something to pdf. 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My worry is that when you sign keys of your friends and upload them to the keyserver, everyone now knows who do you communicate with. On the other hand, if you sign keys of complete strangers (although you check their ID, access to the email), and they turn out to be evil, you might be associated with them. You might protect yourself against that by never uploading the keys to the keyserver, but then the network of trust is loosing the point. What is your view on that? Shouldn't that be more emphasized in the esd guide? Also, there doesn't seem to be a way to remove the key from the keyserver other than revoke the key. I'm not expert on that, but according the new European regulation GDPR, someone who stores private data must allow users to delete data about them. 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Mon, 09 Apr 2018 01:46:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Tomas Stary To: esd-translators@fsf.org References: Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=tomichec@gmail.com; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= xsBNBFMCNhABCADy6MES/DD7lUFk14wC5xOd6r7aa1s6vZMjAtSueTluOWHYjMNT8cvrSXoz pqrlgfWDUre2p0vFbNxZAfePboltVcyUNjO7eKpPtjhhxYWHFYFY9qNjYipX1RwHA1xaKRPy bqcNgvuQxBdw0R6TZu7m1wS6cC0GIUyWQLyZGygg3gyIdzhYeUmUfLvcmvTMSRsxEWgjo5ZI c4+2lYdh/YQbYhqO86O6h5ZtYOYcZPRlvTJfikMJyB/dDUhVI46qHE/olMG8s6z1D8D9GQIB uCJ6GhQnGbst+Mg2XD2UjDVwFnKrIJqrDpmGKbiYM5dxdT9XwH35Q5aaIp1stndVompvABEB AAHNIFRvbWFzIFN0YXJ5IDx0b21pY2hlY0BnbWFpbC5jb20+wsB/BBMBAgApAhsDBwsJCAcD AgEGFQgCCQoLBBYCAwECHgECF4AFAlltBKwFCQotNZwACgkQNP6tNcbMStZCZggAww35scLy 2HfJlOwMm0cn1XPaglQXup3poE0BdSq/RBk9JHt+NMRbMG2x6bJ+m6OCIXmsSULsp4xfzeQb SMBeOT9YSD26wr1vl/90B1qK7jXvMyM3lOEvHzXEgO64cifzs0N2Fb6JMoOqZor4vsK02BeE Qyy1QuI3RG2IeVLOB75iEPVwiJ7o7tUNmiXdugup1A9TJ4LNJd+KK6xH9EZLhGvy9efwlJba z4/rZKlRwvr3hxRcP2xtjJC/VLwTgaihdtuH/vMfAKpFxxIChqfoVyHDkezNUtLpjOD0oBWa ArOrgAncsSlBUQHeUEb4B3oVgPpacSFkNIlPgSRJEf77Os7ATQRTAjYQAQgA5qB9byhX8yNC YZRjoTOnc7F/vF3nVAIM4uDbPYhpMl3U++/RUXl5ZsNZMAx1PiE5ifeVbEzpYKX91PgC6kdO 4WqxcZzOLgezOgjECppB6QNysOYduqeVYz16fU1Ym8mFwPGoubQm8rX9lNp8Qm78Hg1ekBQX xxhIT6k/AjP52S8Kyd2CHdul7BsvLsRUeuREqX/j3Fmj3NiFNqxD7LEfVilIBSs7VIP68X5S cF0YpWcI1XY/URDPutfFsLYaE3+Fl0dL3+Az83hMH+K6a8hh5H/aNQxxwdYm8Ke625snV5yx Qe6dtwuqdK8wxIjXMMn7Vi1lxg70BoBWMZWcNVuIkQARAQABwsBlBBgBAgAPAhsMBQJZbQUm BQkKLTYWAAoJEDT+rTXGzErWo9kIAJzF7GInXolu0FNA9DasvRRz0aDINw5i+Lvl08PsI9v+ YUVA/bEJuCo2uMhDys3Vk9NSjv3+X/lg84PBj+2R6j+GcM0X//H6T4osfzawr9Pwiroov7yT EHCaX+zGf5JRfvyQfRcDgDJx1KtfCwKbOJ/aieAkheF53z5dUiIO4tieHGCvZWpvXg1z1c/+ bFRW9zfVuWeo/ysD/8vJpPgY+oaZFnYf3hGy4m4p1yl8kvgcCvpx8nGDwVY4tsXOkBzaGwzD xCgvUaDg49MG4eFGn3ieVtcdMxgTkJJaL4MHwsaeUT37FTa5zkwtdECwr50xFJq3Uwf70fws O9X7ghy+Ut8= Message-ID: <26d83fcb-5a16-5220-3561-180afaa69909@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2018 10:45:57 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="3JtlVPlIOWHoJ0eHwCzPK4I0kxt0gLYV8" X-detected-operating-system: by mail.fsf.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] Subject: Re: [ESD-translators] privacy on the keyservers X-BeenThere: esd-translators@fsf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2018 08:46:17 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --3JtlVPlIOWHoJ0eHwCzPK4I0kxt0gLYV8 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="tkOaFgPI1KUZQfEN26MHmJrARdhAO6WVr"; protected-headers="v1" From: Tomas Stary To: esd-translators@fsf.org Message-ID: <26d83fcb-5a16-5220-3561-180afaa69909@gmail.com> Subject: Re: privacy on the keyservers References: In-Reply-To: --tkOaFgPI1KUZQfEN26MHmJrARdhAO6WVr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Other thought is that when I got my key uploaded on the keyserver it was not because I did actively do it. Instead one of my contacts did it when he synchronised his keys with the keyserver, i.e. I didn't gave an explicit authorization for the upload. Perhaps there could be some information embedded in the key that says if the upload to the keyserver is authorized, so that the keyserver rejects the keys of the users who didn't authorised publication of their data. Also, I'm aware, that the keys can be generated using pseudonyms and anyone can upload a fake key to the keyserver, but still a lot of private information about real people can be found there as well. T. Tomas Stary: > Hi, >=20 > I have just thought more about the privacy on the keyservers. >=20 > My worry is that when you sign keys of your friends and upload them to > the keyserver, everyone now knows who do you communicate with. >=20 > On the other hand, if you sign keys of complete strangers (although you= > check their ID, access to the email), and they turn out to be evil, you= > might be associated with them. >=20 > You might protect yourself against that by never uploading the keys to > the keyserver, but then the network of trust is loosing the point. >=20 > What is your view on that? Shouldn't that be more emphasized in the esd= > guide? >=20 > Also, there doesn't seem to be a way to remove the key from the > keyserver other than revoke the key. I'm not expert on that, but > according the new European regulation GDPR, someone who stores private > data must allow users to delete data about them. >=20 > Cheers, > Tomas >=20 --tkOaFgPI1KUZQfEN26MHmJrARdhAO6WVr-- --3JtlVPlIOWHoJ0eHwCzPK4I0kxt0gLYV8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCgAdFiEE9f8NeXTUzIzQWItKNP6tNcbMStYFAlrLKEkACgkQNP6tNcbM StZ1ZggAxqyohEMdwe1DbWgN9RD5GGYNx65fjh5ZNlOyEkqmoO9o8m3JVhdsYmIL NzEuGVNFRB6ReA/ge4fWcxMm1DIMKmgpEmwqLYxK2+mNtLHFupGoP3VxuYK2zb4o EiMS8TwZRvdhjRS2wO67+cF3rb6y61j5J+l+JeZOpv6LFr/wcY2OrhBG1ju/mqw0 XZ971LwLNCIzP4RrEFYsSNtthyrCjsoknv68DU3FqeLSrhWKyY+oyRDUdfbJHX1Q vgiL1vLvqI0nzcpcRQ4HFAKNI+bg+B0gqX/5qmkCxVg40o2uorvtusCQYeSinXYa PIA9I/lNjJVIXzuZ3lsRa/AbPj9NNg== =kh+f -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --3JtlVPlIOWHoJ0eHwCzPK4I0kxt0gLYV8-- From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Apr 09 13:33:12 2018 Received: from list by lists.fsf.org with public_archive (Exim 4.71) id 1f5afI-0004aG-Em for mharc-esd-translators@fsf.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2018 13:33:12 -0400 Received: from mail.fsf.org ([208.118.235.13]:35892) by lists.fsf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f5afE-0004Zo-LK for esd-translators@fsf.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2018 13:33:10 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on mail.fsf.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:34947) by mail.fsf.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1f5afE-0000Bw-A9 for esd-translators@fsf.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2018 13:33:08 -0400 Received: from ineiev by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1f5afD-0002zg-UC; Mon, 09 Apr 2018 13:33:07 -0400 Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2018 13:33:07 -0400 From: Ineiev To: Tomas Stary Message-ID: <20180409173307.GS4935@gnu.org> References: <26d83fcb-5a16-5220-3561-180afaa69909@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="1LpQWWJpWf1Eem63" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <26d83fcb-5a16-5220-3561-180afaa69909@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-detected-operating-system: by mail.fsf.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] Cc: esd-translators@fsf.org Subject: Re: [ESD-translators] privacy on the keyservers X-BeenThere: esd-translators@fsf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2018 17:33:10 -0000 --1LpQWWJpWf1Eem63 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Tomas; On Mon, Apr 09, 2018 at 10:45:57AM +0200, Tomas Stary wrote: >=20 > > I have just thought more about the privacy on the keyservers. > >=20 > > My worry is that when you sign keys of your friends and upload them to > > the keyserver, everyone now knows who do you communicate with. It's up to you: if you don't want people upload your signatures on their keys, you don't send them their keys signed by you; if they don't want your signatures on their keys to show up on the keyservers, they don't upload the keys with your signatures you sent them. > > On the other hand, if you sign keys of complete strangers (although you > > check their ID, access to the email), and they turn out to be evil, you > > might be associated with them. > >=20 > > You might protect yourself against that by never uploading the keys to > > the keyserver, but then the network of trust is loosing the point. Your signature doesn't mean any support for those people, it only means that you checked their identities (it may not mean even that when your policy allows signing random people's keys without any checks). Again, it's up to you, you may not send your signatures to anybody if you think it's more important than building the Web of Trust (many people do). > > What is your view on that? Shouldn't that be more emphasized in the esd > > guide? People may have extremely different opinions (for example, someone suggested uploading one's private keys in certain cases). ESD seems to recommend something more or less neutral. > > Also, there doesn't seem to be a way to remove the key from the > > keyserver other than revoke the key. No, even if you revoke the key, it stays on the keyservers (NB the plural). the system is append-only, for good reasons. > > I'm not expert on that, but > > according the new European regulation GDPR, someone who stores private > > data must allow users to delete data about them. Arguably, yes. some unwise and antisocial user made the maintainer of an Austrian keyserver shut it down, because keyservers don't allow removing data (other keyservers still store the same data in question). > Other thought is that when I got my key uploaded on the keyserver it was > not because I did actively do it. Instead one of my contacts did it when > he synchronised his keys with the keyserver, i.e. I didn't gave an > explicit authorization for the upload. Public keys are meant to be public, I think people just shouldn't rely on them being private. > Perhaps there could be some information embedded in the key that says if > the upload to the keyserver is authorized, so that the keyserver rejects > the keys of the users who didn't authorised publication of their data. I believe this isn't implementable: e.g. if some keyservers don't honour these flags, the keys would propagate between them, anyway. > Also, I'm aware, that the keys can be generated using pseudonyms and > anyone can upload a fake key to the keyserver, but still a lot of > private information about real people can be found there as well. I don't think there is a lot of private information. most if not all of that information is really public. --1LpQWWJpWf1Eem63 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEvZ1N7nsv8cvvLuDE4KzT4Mvnh0oFAlrLo9MACgkQ4KzT4Mvn h0rkpggAq90b7SgPTNZJM+byf3f0kufdGwbE1plor+TwzFgDergSxC9rCF+F/wzq soFZKwrXvzlPNHsL8a/VuRa0s3bZQOrcONyinqyXspzrP9gh0lpzGl2blzBVdYNO hZSbCiBuSJhVpRMKKOOkIN1JGxoCm+V84nI8/iUJFItwcIe4Wk2uLTLwKm9y2hRq wB1VuZKIF7dNVrTdpsI57gqIEV/bfgu42SUlcNVm/tq+OYBGbprdoCuww3dlHG+B FWjhFD4tQJsxZRWV/Nsji61ZESsF8JM224N5Lvfo6xZXHBqe8YAWaaWryikNmAyd HRivNwLJ2I9AnmHVRPgOKF6A72MNIg== =OrpK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --1LpQWWJpWf1Eem63-- From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Apr 11 06:53:47 2018 Received: from list by lists.fsf.org with public_archive (Exim 4.71) id 1f6DNr-0003cW-Ic for mharc-esd-translators@fsf.org; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 06:53:47 -0400 Received: from mail.fsf.org ([208.118.235.13]:45025) by lists.fsf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f6DNm-0003cP-KO for esd-translators@fsf.org; 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Wed, 11 Apr 2018 03:53:39 -0700 (PDT) To: Ineiev References: <26d83fcb-5a16-5220-3561-180afaa69909@gmail.com> <20180409173307.GS4935@gnu.org> From: Tomas Stary Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=tomichec@gmail.com; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= xsBNBFMCNhABCADy6MES/DD7lUFk14wC5xOd6r7aa1s6vZMjAtSueTluOWHYjMNT8cvrSXoz pqrlgfWDUre2p0vFbNxZAfePboltVcyUNjO7eKpPtjhhxYWHFYFY9qNjYipX1RwHA1xaKRPy bqcNgvuQxBdw0R6TZu7m1wS6cC0GIUyWQLyZGygg3gyIdzhYeUmUfLvcmvTMSRsxEWgjo5ZI c4+2lYdh/YQbYhqO86O6h5ZtYOYcZPRlvTJfikMJyB/dDUhVI46qHE/olMG8s6z1D8D9GQIB uCJ6GhQnGbst+Mg2XD2UjDVwFnKrIJqrDpmGKbiYM5dxdT9XwH35Q5aaIp1stndVompvABEB AAHNIFRvbWFzIFN0YXJ5IDx0b21pY2hlY0BnbWFpbC5jb20+wsB/BBMBAgApAhsDBwsJCAcD AgEGFQgCCQoLBBYCAwECHgECF4AFAlltBKwFCQotNZwACgkQNP6tNcbMStZCZggAww35scLy 2HfJlOwMm0cn1XPaglQXup3poE0BdSq/RBk9JHt+NMRbMG2x6bJ+m6OCIXmsSULsp4xfzeQb SMBeOT9YSD26wr1vl/90B1qK7jXvMyM3lOEvHzXEgO64cifzs0N2Fb6JMoOqZor4vsK02BeE Qyy1QuI3RG2IeVLOB75iEPVwiJ7o7tUNmiXdugup1A9TJ4LNJd+KK6xH9EZLhGvy9efwlJba z4/rZKlRwvr3hxRcP2xtjJC/VLwTgaihdtuH/vMfAKpFxxIChqfoVyHDkezNUtLpjOD0oBWa ArOrgAncsSlBUQHeUEb4B3oVgPpacSFkNIlPgSRJEf77Os7ATQRTAjYQAQgA5qB9byhX8yNC YZRjoTOnc7F/vF3nVAIM4uDbPYhpMl3U++/RUXl5ZsNZMAx1PiE5ifeVbEzpYKX91PgC6kdO 4WqxcZzOLgezOgjECppB6QNysOYduqeVYz16fU1Ym8mFwPGoubQm8rX9lNp8Qm78Hg1ekBQX xxhIT6k/AjP52S8Kyd2CHdul7BsvLsRUeuREqX/j3Fmj3NiFNqxD7LEfVilIBSs7VIP68X5S cF0YpWcI1XY/URDPutfFsLYaE3+Fl0dL3+Az83hMH+K6a8hh5H/aNQxxwdYm8Ke625snV5yx Qe6dtwuqdK8wxIjXMMn7Vi1lxg70BoBWMZWcNVuIkQARAQABwsBlBBgBAgAPAhsMBQJZbQUm BQkKLTYWAAoJEDT+rTXGzErWo9kIAJzF7GInXolu0FNA9DasvRRz0aDINw5i+Lvl08PsI9v+ YUVA/bEJuCo2uMhDys3Vk9NSjv3+X/lg84PBj+2R6j+GcM0X//H6T4osfzawr9Pwiroov7yT EHCaX+zGf5JRfvyQfRcDgDJx1KtfCwKbOJ/aieAkheF53z5dUiIO4tieHGCvZWpvXg1z1c/+ bFRW9zfVuWeo/ysD/8vJpPgY+oaZFnYf3hGy4m4p1yl8kvgcCvpx8nGDwVY4tsXOkBzaGwzD xCgvUaDg49MG4eFGn3ieVtcdMxgTkJJaL4MHwsaeUT37FTa5zkwtdECwr50xFJq3Uwf70fws O9X7ghy+Ut8= Message-ID: <193a6565-fd61-e32a-d86f-729ca5d58fd2@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2018 12:53:33 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20180409173307.GS4935@gnu.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="vWK3atFZrbI5pHpL8HDb2XhAiBJOxUD8I" X-detected-operating-system: by mail.fsf.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] Cc: esd-translators@fsf.org Subject: Re: [ESD-translators] privacy on the keyservers X-BeenThere: esd-translators@fsf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2018 10:53:46 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --vWK3atFZrbI5pHpL8HDb2XhAiBJOxUD8I Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="VNlj4nlS75IUoiBzu4JtmiRUWNIhVXTKy"; protected-headers="v1" From: Tomas Stary To: Ineiev Cc: esd-translators@fsf.org Message-ID: <193a6565-fd61-e32a-d86f-729ca5d58fd2@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [ESD-translators] privacy on the keyservers References: <26d83fcb-5a16-5220-3561-180afaa69909@gmail.com> <20180409173307.GS4935@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <20180409173307.GS4935@gnu.org> --VNlj4nlS75IUoiBzu4JtmiRUWNIhVXTKy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Ineiev, Ineiev: > Hi, Tomas; >=20 > On Mon, Apr 09, 2018 at 10:45:57AM +0200, Tomas Stary wrote: >> >>> I have just thought more about the privacy on the keyservers. >>> >>> My worry is that when you sign keys of your friends and upload them t= o >>> the keyserver, everyone now knows who do you communicate with. >=20 > It's up to you: if you don't want people upload your signatures > on their keys, you don't send them their keys signed by you; > if they don't want your signatures on their keys to show up > on the keyservers, they don't upload the keys with your signatures > you sent them. >=20 In my experience, my own key had appeared on the keyserver without me doing any action. That was because one of my contacts has signed and uploaded it. I could not have prevented it. >>> On the other hand, if you sign keys of complete strangers (although y= ou >>> check their ID, access to the email), and they turn out to be evil, y= ou >>> might be associated with them. >>> >>> You might protect yourself against that by never uploading the keys t= o >>> the keyserver, but then the network of trust is loosing the point. >=20 > Your signature doesn't mean any support for those people, it only > means that you checked their identities (it may not mean even that > when your policy allows signing random people's keys without > any checks). >=20 > Again, it's up to you, you may not send your signatures to anybody > if you think it's more important than building the Web of Trust (many > people do). >=20 Ok, I take that. >>> What is your view on that? Shouldn't that be more emphasized in the e= sd >>> guide? >=20 > People may have extremely different opinions (for example, someone > suggested uploading one's private keys in certain cases). ESD seems > to recommend something more or less neutral. >=20 >>> Also, there doesn't seem to be a way to remove the key from the >>> keyserver other than revoke the key. >=20 > No, even if you revoke the key, it stays on the keyservers (NB the plur= al). > the system is append-only, for good reasons. >=20 >>> I'm not expert on that, but >>> according the new European regulation GDPR, someone who stores privat= e >>> data must allow users to delete data about them. >=20 > Arguably, yes. some unwise and antisocial user made the maintainer > of an Austrian keyserver shut it down, because keyservers don't > allow removing data (other keyservers still store the same data > in question). >=20 >> Other thought is that when I got my key uploaded on the keyserver it w= as >> not because I did actively do it. Instead one of my contacts did it wh= en >> he synchronised his keys with the keyserver, i.e. I didn't gave an >> explicit authorization for the upload. >=20 > Public keys are meant to be public, I think people just shouldn't rely = on > them being private. >=20 Ok. The issue is more with the personal information (name and email) than the key itself. Then it might be recommendable to create a pseudonymous identity if you are a dissident or whistleblower. >> Perhaps there could be some information embedded in the key that says = if >> the upload to the keyserver is authorized, so that the keyserver rejec= ts >> the keys of the users who didn't authorised publication of their data.= >=20 > I believe this isn't implementable: e.g. if some keyservers don't honou= r > these flags, the keys would propagate between them, anyway. >> Also, I'm aware, that the keys can be generated using pseudonyms and >> anyone can upload a fake key to the keyserver, but still a lot of >> private information about real people can be found there as well. >=20 > I don't think there is a lot of private information. most > if not all of that information is really public. >=20 Arguably. 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[185.152.65.180]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 58sm2204188wrv.41.2018.04.11.04.08.59 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 11 Apr 2018 04:09:00 -0700 (PDT) To: esd-translators@fsf.org From: Tomas Stary Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=tomichec@gmail.com; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= xsBNBFMCNhABCADy6MES/DD7lUFk14wC5xOd6r7aa1s6vZMjAtSueTluOWHYjMNT8cvrSXoz pqrlgfWDUre2p0vFbNxZAfePboltVcyUNjO7eKpPtjhhxYWHFYFY9qNjYipX1RwHA1xaKRPy bqcNgvuQxBdw0R6TZu7m1wS6cC0GIUyWQLyZGygg3gyIdzhYeUmUfLvcmvTMSRsxEWgjo5ZI c4+2lYdh/YQbYhqO86O6h5ZtYOYcZPRlvTJfikMJyB/dDUhVI46qHE/olMG8s6z1D8D9GQIB uCJ6GhQnGbst+Mg2XD2UjDVwFnKrIJqrDpmGKbiYM5dxdT9XwH35Q5aaIp1stndVompvABEB AAHNIFRvbWFzIFN0YXJ5IDx0b21pY2hlY0BnbWFpbC5jb20+wsB/BBMBAgApAhsDBwsJCAcD AgEGFQgCCQoLBBYCAwECHgECF4AFAlltBKwFCQotNZwACgkQNP6tNcbMStZCZggAww35scLy 2HfJlOwMm0cn1XPaglQXup3poE0BdSq/RBk9JHt+NMRbMG2x6bJ+m6OCIXmsSULsp4xfzeQb SMBeOT9YSD26wr1vl/90B1qK7jXvMyM3lOEvHzXEgO64cifzs0N2Fb6JMoOqZor4vsK02BeE Qyy1QuI3RG2IeVLOB75iEPVwiJ7o7tUNmiXdugup1A9TJ4LNJd+KK6xH9EZLhGvy9efwlJba z4/rZKlRwvr3hxRcP2xtjJC/VLwTgaihdtuH/vMfAKpFxxIChqfoVyHDkezNUtLpjOD0oBWa ArOrgAncsSlBUQHeUEb4B3oVgPpacSFkNIlPgSRJEf77Os7ATQRTAjYQAQgA5qB9byhX8yNC YZRjoTOnc7F/vF3nVAIM4uDbPYhpMl3U++/RUXl5ZsNZMAx1PiE5ifeVbEzpYKX91PgC6kdO 4WqxcZzOLgezOgjECppB6QNysOYduqeVYz16fU1Ym8mFwPGoubQm8rX9lNp8Qm78Hg1ekBQX xxhIT6k/AjP52S8Kyd2CHdul7BsvLsRUeuREqX/j3Fmj3NiFNqxD7LEfVilIBSs7VIP68X5S cF0YpWcI1XY/URDPutfFsLYaE3+Fl0dL3+Az83hMH+K6a8hh5H/aNQxxwdYm8Ke625snV5yx Qe6dtwuqdK8wxIjXMMn7Vi1lxg70BoBWMZWcNVuIkQARAQABwsBlBBgBAgAPAhsMBQJZbQUm BQkKLTYWAAoJEDT+rTXGzErWo9kIAJzF7GInXolu0FNA9DasvRRz0aDINw5i+Lvl08PsI9v+ YUVA/bEJuCo2uMhDys3Vk9NSjv3+X/lg84PBj+2R6j+GcM0X//H6T4osfzawr9Pwiroov7yT EHCaX+zGf5JRfvyQfRcDgDJx1KtfCwKbOJ/aieAkheF53z5dUiIO4tieHGCvZWpvXg1z1c/+ bFRW9zfVuWeo/ysD/8vJpPgY+oaZFnYf3hGy4m4p1yl8kvgcCvpx8nGDwVY4tsXOkBzaGwzD xCgvUaDg49MG4eFGn3ieVtcdMxgTkJJaL4MHwsaeUT37FTa5zkwtdECwr50xFJq3Uwf70fws O9X7ghy+Ut8= Message-ID: <1c1ad264-7a32-c8ba-a86c-34850c91f6b4@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2018 13:08:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="tCF4DKDh4uXTYcXfJZXHykCGlwgeiIjZy" X-detected-operating-system: by mail.fsf.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] Subject: [ESD-translators] esd for smartphone X-BeenThere: esd-translators@fsf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2018 11:09:06 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --tCF4DKDh4uXTYcXfJZXHykCGlwgeiIjZy Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="6OVDpQkkbabylzMF9PfkKX7ExFgh7pXba"; protected-headers="v1" From: Tomas Stary To: esd-translators@fsf.org Message-ID: <1c1ad264-7a32-c8ba-a86c-34850c91f6b4@gmail.com> Subject: esd for smartphone --6OVDpQkkbabylzMF9PfkKX7ExFgh7pXba Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I have recently been experimenting with setting up encryption on my tablet. I run LineageOS (Cyanogen's fork) with f-droid repository set-up on my tablet Samsung Galaxy Tab 2. Briefly, the setting is as follows: 0. if you don't have f-droid, install it from https://f-droid.org/ You might be able to install the packages from Google play but since they require you to run non-free software and require you to identify yourself, f-droid is a great replacement. 1. Install K-9 mail and set up communication with your email provider. There is a wizzard to do that, but be aware, that some of the email providers (gmail in particular) require that you log in to your security settings and allow less secure apps (not sure how much less secure it is, or if the real reason is that they want you to use their proprietary app). 2. Install OpenKeychain and or generate a new keypair, or copy a private key from your computer (`gpg --export-secret-keys -a > mysecret.asc`) to your phone, and in OpenKeychain choose Import from File= =2E 3. go back to K-9 mail and in settings -> Cryptography choose OpenKeychain as your default PGP app. Your encryption, decryption and signing should now be working. Does it work for you as well? It would be nice to make more detailed description with print-screens and update the guide, so people can use it on their mobile devices as wel= l. 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I run LineageOS (Cyanogen's fork) with f-droid repository set-up > on my tablet Samsung Galaxy Tab 2. > > Briefly, the setting is as follows: > > 0. if you don't have f-droid, install it from https://f-droid.org/ > > You might be able to install the packages from Google play but since > they require you to run non-free software and require you to identify > yourself, f-droid is a great replacement. > > 1. Install K-9 mail and set up communication with your email provider. > > There is a wizzard to do that, but be aware, that some of the email > providers (gmail in particular) require that you log in to your security > settings and allow less secure apps (not sure how much less secure it > is, or if the real reason is that they want you to use their proprietary > app). > > 2. Install OpenKeychain and or generate a new keypair, or copy a private > key from your computer (`gpg --export-secret-keys -a > > mysecret.asc`) to your phone, and in OpenKeychain choose Import from File. > > 3. go back to K-9 mail and in settings -> Cryptography choose > OpenKeychain as your default PGP app. > > Your encryption, decryption and signing should now be working. > > Does it work for you as well? > > It would be nice to make more detailed description with print-screens > and update the guide, so people can use it on their mobile devices as well. > > Best wishes, > Tomas > > > _______________________________________________ > ESD-translators mailing list > ESD-translators@fsf.org > https://lists.fsf.org/mailman/listinfo/esd-translators > It works well, though from my point of view enigmail has better usability on a desktop than openkeychain on a mobile phone. Also, I found out that there is no option to just sign a message without encryption. Though, I have used a google apps version of k9-mail and openkeychain (it was my family member's phone, I still prefer to use feature (with buttons) phone due to privacy reasons). From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Apr 11 12:11:46 2018 Received: from list by lists.fsf.org with public_archive (Exim 4.71) id 1f6ILa-0004v2-8t for mharc-esd-translators@fsf.org; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 12:11:46 -0400 Received: from mail.fsf.org ([208.118.235.13]:42472) by lists.fsf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f6ILY-0004uv-A2 for esd-translators@fsf.org; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 12:11:45 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on mail.fsf.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:49859) by mail.fsf.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1f6ILX-000439-TI for esd-translators@fsf.org; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 12:11:43 -0400 Received: from ineiev by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1f6ILX-000060-GB; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 12:11:43 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2018 12:11:43 -0400 From: Ineiev To: Tomas Stary Message-ID: <20180411161143.GT4935@gnu.org> References: <26d83fcb-5a16-5220-3561-180afaa69909@gmail.com> <20180409173307.GS4935@gnu.org> <193a6565-fd61-e32a-d86f-729ca5d58fd2@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="2oXRUkbwF6cv3uR7" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <193a6565-fd61-e32a-d86f-729ca5d58fd2@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-detected-operating-system: by mail.fsf.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] Cc: esd-translators@fsf.org Subject: Re: [ESD-translators] privacy on the keyservers X-BeenThere: esd-translators@fsf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2018 16:11:45 -0000 --2oXRUkbwF6cv3uR7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Tomas; On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 12:53:33PM +0200, Tomas Stary wrote: > >>> > >>> My worry is that when you sign keys of your friends and upload them to > >>> the keyserver, everyone now knows who do you communicate with. > >=20 > > It's up to you: if you don't want people upload your signatures > > on their keys, you don't send them their keys signed by you; > > if they don't want your signatures on their keys to show up > > on the keyservers, they don't upload the keys with your signatures > > you sent them. >=20 > In my experience, my own key had appeared on the keyserver without me > doing any action. That was because one of my contacts has signed and > uploaded it. I could not have prevented it. You are right, you can't prevent your contacts uploading your key with their signatures unless they are used to certain conventions. > > Public keys are meant to be public, I think people just shouldn't rely = on > > them being private. > >=20 >=20 > Ok. The issue is more with the personal information (name and email) > than the key itself. Then it might be recommendable to create a > pseudonymous identity if you are a dissident or whistleblower. I agree. > > I don't think there is a lot of private information. most > > if not all of that information is really public. > >=20 >=20 > Arguably. I guess in some countries you might at least attract attention > to you, if you sign keys of dissidents. I think in such countries you are not safe anyway even if you don't sign any keys, and such facts contribute little a priori; they'll help building the suit against you, but the government shall be able to build it of anything. on the other hand, the more keys people sign, the more they use encrypted communications, the less=20 materia they leave to such adversaries. --2oXRUkbwF6cv3uR7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEvZ1N7nsv8cvvLuDE4KzT4Mvnh0oFAlrOM78ACgkQ4KzT4Mvn h0r8JggA5bl+vMtfpTUoGGtQwpR3dwflxpI0shFYeYGT289gsIUbv4NEeaOjmEz2 MQ7f3mP1xrsSon/ncwzy73XdrWK9UH17hwK7RRQpjOskyt8jY5BewV/e3Bkl4WDX UelHOALothhiQV8F9mdAd4ikfq6Ms5IBjl7Z5q1GY6Am1rIqtMtfUlEQD53gVcJb 8PlQ9GDrgEVRiFEzEOuskxPE7o4iJt9jlGvyjg+XmoWkm3hpW/FkbUa3RuJ3Tv7N gvROA8LTfhoflToW2N3nAeKNdKfmovD6fUFpjYd4tdigGPqZZIcclpg+myja2jma Whn2rFxYojGislt5TXUFSvIBFZVGWQ== =xr3H -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --2oXRUkbwF6cv3uR7-- From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Apr 13 11:40:15 2018 Received: from list by lists.fsf.org with public_archive (Exim 4.71) id 1f70oA-0006m6-N6 for mharc-esd-translators@fsf.org; Fri, 13 Apr 2018 11:40:15 -0400 Received: from mail.fsf.org ([208.118.235.13]:55582) by lists.fsf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f70o3-0006m0-Ee for esd-translators@fsf.org; Fri, 13 Apr 2018 11:40:12 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on mail.fsf.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, SPF_PASS, T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from mail-it0-f41.google.com ([209.85.214.41]:50394) by mail.fsf.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1f70nx-0004Ih-MZ; Fri, 13 Apr 2018 11:40:01 -0400 Received: by mail-it0-f41.google.com with SMTP id r19-v6so3745679itc.0; Fri, 13 Apr 2018 08:39:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=Igl73E7QJn8RjkzZFgqMQtE08LBgzJKav3+BIQaWg5Q=; b=BsPUM1A48UDubOvn1gm3jCEV010L0NQrteEIOEbTubeZH2Roct0FjA7lzUYM+axYsO SAnuwKhZRyBTNokEWWGItWPOqo2MxoltFTRAoJz20pCUlOo5antp/jzlVzczy7Kgwa0Q EB6sssTaCTWjRpD7BBQu4KEiQQxD488PaNH47YEtAZeFx+TIpyUqOBQHu+dJm7y3RciL Q2GvXeZHMzqqpZpG5Is5JJi6C1fJonzKWNZy/s0PKK2Nk+2umZ/Zs/0m5HwpxsdJvtcH JiXii4LMTHcxpUA3xhDxAWZIO7eaRbtM3yxxAUlfr6KVuOqrx2jzEyLgetu+/lzsNaxq 0Oug== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=Igl73E7QJn8RjkzZFgqMQtE08LBgzJKav3+BIQaWg5Q=; b=jj94lr6fpqf8JUAIHU2/Cqz73i9H4gT4ukFNIuMvwSm8/GCMi1ByEthGg7ItQkZLgl y6Gt2SSx3Np8vJFZL4JTXNdSYeTXTn+A6BfXmoqTc5YcVisCXjLecRKr7mSms8teK6m7 04n9JLSd4CirSW6fb6Vq1V6UTRo0lHyOEoihSKVTNbjjONJwS42nOnooWv4tDZ4naUNX bR0ri8Ml7u/FIznLyL+xmVN43nBzSW2Kcudu3NRJDLDvlMHrhiPyaT5uzyNDJsFvcFrx QKag8NLsnlKInrDouKodsyzZ8aIvDD5tCZj3A5ebGXWGyOHDRXh1bHjnqSz6Q0v618cU i2MA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALQs6tDEa4G0CzbguC1XgVlVZYUCqT8tegyBVBne/8oT/hAl6lORotX3 WTAboIQeAnwW/hj+8XbEhlNcTWvBB7IBryFuBn9E7w== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AIpwx4+BcWfjADOyWkE6g/pGpSKEgMglPh6n9IkA2N1SK6qq+AVP5jCFqxCaI4YB1/gXVRfPbKjFEqjKR39ouv21Llo= X-Received: by 2002:a24:87c8:: with SMTP id f191-v6mr5844918ite.16.1523633998873; Fri, 13 Apr 2018 08:39:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.79.22.66 with HTTP; Fri, 13 Apr 2018 08:39:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20180401150513.GL4935@gnu.org> From: Kateryna Razumova Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2018 17:39:58 +0200 Message-ID: To: Ineiev , Molly de Blanc , esd-translators@fsf.org, Tomas Stary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-detected-operating-system: by mail.fsf.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] Subject: Re: [ESD-translators] ESD guide proposal (translation, video, new infographics) for Outreachy X-BeenThere: esd-translators@fsf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2018 15:40:13 -0000 Hello, I am continue to work on first pictures of ESD Guide. I've tried to make them less detailed but keep an emotional side. I am also added an introductory file for a presentation to make people more involved. https://medium.com/@ekateryna.razumova/proposal-for-outreachy-project-6fcd34b0d298 Yours truly, Kateryna Razumova. From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Apr 14 05:15:10 2018 Received: from list by lists.fsf.org with public_archive (Exim 4.71) id 1f7HH4-0003I2-MM for mharc-esd-translators@fsf.org; Sat, 14 Apr 2018 05:15:10 -0400 Received: from mail.fsf.org ([208.118.235.13]:52559) by lists.fsf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f7HH1-0003Ff-Ou for esd-translators@fsf.org; Sat, 14 Apr 2018 05:15:08 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on mail.fsf.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_20 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:50217) by mail.fsf.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1f7HH0-0005kr-Cf; Sat, 14 Apr 2018 05:15:06 -0400 Received: from ineiev by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1f7HH0-0003uW-1R; Sat, 14 Apr 2018 05:15:06 -0400 Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2018 05:15:05 -0400 From: Ineiev To: Kateryna Razumova Message-ID: <20180414091505.GY4935@gnu.org> References: <20180401150513.GL4935@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="882I1qU7FygAGBFW" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-detected-operating-system: by mail.fsf.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] Cc: esd-translators@fsf.org Subject: Re: [ESD-translators] ESD guide proposal (translation, video, new infographics) for Outreachy X-BeenThere: esd-translators@fsf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2018 09:15:08 -0000 --882I1qU7FygAGBFW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, Kateryna; On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 05:39:58PM +0200, Kateryna Razumova wrote: >=20 > I am continue to work on first pictures of ESD Guide. I've tried to > make them less detailed but keep an emotional side. I am also added an > introductory file for a presentation to make people more involved. > https://medium.com/@ekateryna.razumova/proposal-for-outreachy-project-6fc= d34b0d298 Just a random thought: the new picture shows four people in a single place looking at letters. I guess the issue wouldn't be so severe if it required that several officials meet in order to read a message. 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[77.247.181.163]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id s21sm9261968edd.96.2018.04.17.14.50.57 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 17 Apr 2018 14:51:00 -0700 (PDT) To: esd-translators@fsf.org From: Tomas Stary Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=tomichec@gmail.com; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= xsBNBFMCNhABCADy6MES/DD7lUFk14wC5xOd6r7aa1s6vZMjAtSueTluOWHYjMNT8cvrSXoz pqrlgfWDUre2p0vFbNxZAfePboltVcyUNjO7eKpPtjhhxYWHFYFY9qNjYipX1RwHA1xaKRPy bqcNgvuQxBdw0R6TZu7m1wS6cC0GIUyWQLyZGygg3gyIdzhYeUmUfLvcmvTMSRsxEWgjo5ZI c4+2lYdh/YQbYhqO86O6h5ZtYOYcZPRlvTJfikMJyB/dDUhVI46qHE/olMG8s6z1D8D9GQIB uCJ6GhQnGbst+Mg2XD2UjDVwFnKrIJqrDpmGKbiYM5dxdT9XwH35Q5aaIp1stndVompvABEB AAHNIFRvbWFzIFN0YXJ5IDx0b21pY2hlY0BnbWFpbC5jb20+wsB/BBMBAgApAhsDBwsJCAcD AgEGFQgCCQoLBBYCAwECHgECF4AFAlltBKwFCQotNZwACgkQNP6tNcbMStZCZggAww35scLy 2HfJlOwMm0cn1XPaglQXup3poE0BdSq/RBk9JHt+NMRbMG2x6bJ+m6OCIXmsSULsp4xfzeQb SMBeOT9YSD26wr1vl/90B1qK7jXvMyM3lOEvHzXEgO64cifzs0N2Fb6JMoOqZor4vsK02BeE Qyy1QuI3RG2IeVLOB75iEPVwiJ7o7tUNmiXdugup1A9TJ4LNJd+KK6xH9EZLhGvy9efwlJba z4/rZKlRwvr3hxRcP2xtjJC/VLwTgaihdtuH/vMfAKpFxxIChqfoVyHDkezNUtLpjOD0oBWa ArOrgAncsSlBUQHeUEb4B3oVgPpacSFkNIlPgSRJEf77Os7ATQRTAjYQAQgA5qB9byhX8yNC YZRjoTOnc7F/vF3nVAIM4uDbPYhpMl3U++/RUXl5ZsNZMAx1PiE5ifeVbEzpYKX91PgC6kdO 4WqxcZzOLgezOgjECppB6QNysOYduqeVYz16fU1Ym8mFwPGoubQm8rX9lNp8Qm78Hg1ekBQX xxhIT6k/AjP52S8Kyd2CHdul7BsvLsRUeuREqX/j3Fmj3NiFNqxD7LEfVilIBSs7VIP68X5S cF0YpWcI1XY/URDPutfFsLYaE3+Fl0dL3+Az83hMH+K6a8hh5H/aNQxxwdYm8Ke625snV5yx Qe6dtwuqdK8wxIjXMMn7Vi1lxg70BoBWMZWcNVuIkQARAQABwsBlBBgBAgAPAhsMBQJZbQUm BQkKLTYWAAoJEDT+rTXGzErWo9kIAJzF7GInXolu0FNA9DasvRRz0aDINw5i+Lvl08PsI9v+ YUVA/bEJuCo2uMhDys3Vk9NSjv3+X/lg84PBj+2R6j+GcM0X//H6T4osfzawr9Pwiroov7yT EHCaX+zGf5JRfvyQfRcDgDJx1KtfCwKbOJ/aieAkheF53z5dUiIO4tieHGCvZWpvXg1z1c/+ bFRW9zfVuWeo/ysD/8vJpPgY+oaZFnYf3hGy4m4p1yl8kvgcCvpx8nGDwVY4tsXOkBzaGwzD xCgvUaDg49MG4eFGn3ieVtcdMxgTkJJaL4MHwsaeUT37FTa5zkwtdECwr50xFJq3Uwf70fws O9X7ghy+Ut8= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2018 23:50:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by mail.fsf.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] Subject: [ESD-translators] pEp X-BeenThere: esd-translators@fsf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2018 21:51:06 -0000 Hi everyone, I've noticed that the new version (2.0.2) of Enigmail sets up Pretty Easy Privacy (pEp) [1] to all new users by default. The pEp automatically generates a keypair for all the accounts in Thunderbird and attaches the public key to all outgoing emails. It doesn't use keyservers. Instead it advises users to verify the keys fingerprints via other communication medium (i.e. phone call, physical contact). When the certificate is about to expire it generates a new key and starts attaching the new pubkey again. Also, all outgoing emails to addresses with a known key are encrypted and signed. A status of the communication integrity is shown based on the traffic-light colours. Another interesting feature is the possibility to securely transfer the private key to another connected device (phone, tablet) using the email server as temporary storage of the encrypted private key. There are some questionable changes as well. For instance, the password is not required to encrypt the key localy, so anyone with the access to the key can use it directly without the need to enter a password. Although, the possibility to set up one is there. Has any of you tested pEp already? Should we update the guide to reflect this change? [1] https://prettyeasyprivacy.com/docs/index.html T.