From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Mar 06 15:06:22 2016 Received: from list by lists.fsf.org with public_archive (Exim 4.71) id 1acewY-0000rs-PF for mharc-esd-translators@fsf.org; Sun, 06 Mar 2016 15:06:22 -0500 Received: from mail.fsf.org ([208.118.235.13]:55855) by lists.fsf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1acewS-0000rl-J1 for esd-translators@fsf.org; Sun, 06 Mar 2016 15:06:20 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on mail.fsf.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05,RP_MATCHES_RCVD, SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from smtp19.openmailbox.org ([62.4.1.53]:54022) by mail.fsf.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1acewS-00071I-7H for esd-translators@fsf.org; Sun, 06 Mar 2016 15:06:16 -0500 Received: by mail2.openmailbox.org (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 88BE07CDA7E; Sun, 6 Mar 2016 21:06:07 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=openmailbox.org; s=openmailbox; t=1457294767; bh=JNZgZM6xmpOUuo2iuvhQNHIYPDxFs3fFH3dJk4ZCYhc=; h=To:From:Subject:Date:From; b=Zd3Krj4eL3cUA4tVzty4B98/N3TK6wg0PngcWAMyyj6V9r4/sH7OJ+/8blxWBELfK lz4beBcYExRrLPB0Z2hJZhyey3TOXrVAWI7LUMGyahFshNv5z8KvrEtKyv+ET/AEaN nyZftSA6QNVu7Tn/BLsu7Leijg8uafYR9Sa/c1hU= To: esd-translators@fsf.org DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=openmailbox.org; s=openmailbox; t=1457294757; bh=JNZgZM6xmpOUuo2iuvhQNHIYPDxFs3fFH3dJk4ZCYhc=; h=To:From:Subject:Date:From; b=vqs/CM6Vn5sxkTwUG+vinjY2w/8X5SnE2q6Uc/0x1fKCLyKfDjq1Q1atd8n4H+EcP nE/bwfhgx8zNWBwm07yPg+31NruPD9/MU70I4NBn9YnMIqX4uZhojL8saXxqSrHcW3 Zm2VzzdgVdPxI0HcyAdrzUsojUJIiFo/XjZ8jkQs= From: victorhck Message-ID: <56DC8D90.2070709@openmailbox.org> Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2016 21:05:36 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="3q8GLtHNupWMxBN6Dfe6J5qpR5lVHoVJv" X-detected-operating-system: by mail.fsf.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] Subject: [ESD-translators] proofreading spanish translation X-BeenThere: esd-translators@fsf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2016 20:06:20 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --3q8GLtHNupWMxBN6Dfe6J5qpR5lVHoVJv Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="pffDKIXmwLrOs5SDBjVKkcNEo7E7FdqNb" From: victorhck To: esd-translators@fsf.org Message-ID: <56DC8D90.2070709@openmailbox.org> Subject: proofreading spanish translation --pffDKIXmwLrOs5SDBjVKkcNEo7E7FdqNb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi hackers! I have finished the spanish v4.0 translation. I have updated: - Index.html - Mac.html - Windows.html - next-spets - workshops I don't know if it's necessary to translate or make more updates in another sections, if so, please just reply this mail... In the "workshops" sections I have used a formal translation, maybe it's better to use a more informal way... Please, make a proofreading and find bugs or typos, and fix them! ;) or just reply this mail... keep on hackin' for a free world !! 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I have updated: > - Index.html > - Mac.html > - Windows.html > - next-spets > - workshops and: - infographic.html >=20 > I don't know if it's necessary to translate or make more updates in > another sections, if so, please just reply this mail... >=20 > In the "workshops" sections I have used a formal translation, maybe it'= s > better to use a more informal way... >=20 > Please, make a proofreading and find bugs or typos, and fix them! ;) or= > just reply this mail... >=20 > keep on hackin' for a free world !! >=20 > 've phun! >=20 >=20 >=20 --=20 ------------------- GPG Key: 0xC9B7E22A Aprende a proteger la privacidad de tu correo: https://emailselfdefense.fsf.org/es/ --4JdERKXPuCGlJ1Bp0NMqJ4ebxpxNjtNW2-- --bxuu9BVukGE8f28xCw81rhLH5NAM35TxK Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJW3I6PAAoJEMx0Lo3Jt+IqKLwP/02FRTxpFtX4EErB9957ZHM0 eAEQgIitHqh+SP4EWzJeXCoh8PsXew/y+Oh/7DbHr7Wom77ngl0aoiaugv++cH3S e9ENBZmrpgFyaxUbkqU7nU8c8+UWn7BmVp4zAXSd0o1rFztmUjBxIKSU1cUpdv/v /6UhnjE2uXvt1giBBQASxdDj7mESlNpTbsbtwN+UGjq5j3d1IomFH1aNyXwjifE7 GMHkyPikD+po7eCOhTgRwvTF+29WOHkSOPyNLRNOabw0JwdIg+/so0uAwdulVSHX 799dtnAY4DA1xXWTvQQ8kqvqTd6MxIBJdeymRnhiY3tUnWnyVxgIqDuH2jK4vN3P 5yyKHUWXIZTO9fWtYlMN0YEU5a0srhdaYdrywHGN9thdqzhpS9840nSRKtoxZ9EX 2nUbpKwCmkQBG4EYJgf+ExSEjjKnVevNAxNWm/l2yn8iOMZhqhw6C50pU4JMkbUh A5mkyDEsU5NUszrIemeQy2FsUPPREubiXGW5X6DkuSX7DTtQnGha6/JqEb9DEMyL pXHapfPuPHI3k3u6DEZN1dCt78we3xc2fBJLgYqS7/9znd96x5H+42XWoLvBtLxM iuh+Ja4kAtftZwe8chb276TLZdg/5uvHfUxykPFEnnrwRuqL9qMUcyaTgdG4TvKl 5xKbaIL9VZEbI4mNMqe5 =sWts -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --bxuu9BVukGE8f28xCw81rhLH5NAM35TxK-- From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Mar 13 18:36:18 2016 Received: from list by lists.fsf.org with public_archive (Exim 4.71) id 1afEcU-0006Z6-Hw for mharc-esd-translators@fsf.org; Sun, 13 Mar 2016 18:36:18 -0400 Received: from mail.fsf.org ([208.118.235.13]:54452) by lists.fsf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1afEcO-0006Yz-2G for esd-translators@fsf.org; Sun, 13 Mar 2016 18:36:17 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on mail.fsf.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS, T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from mail-wm0-f46.google.com ([74.125.82.46]:36363) by mail.fsf.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_ARCFOUR_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1afEcN-0001Tw-Ox for esd-translators@fsf.org; Sun, 13 Mar 2016 18:36:11 -0400 Received: by mail-wm0-f46.google.com with SMTP id n186so84632234wmn.1 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2016 15:36:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-disposition:in-reply-to; bh=j66nTk0Q4uyk3pGh3u+BBvOkoj+pHUFXZyIhSY7ZRwM=; b=apQNfYUoLdASUkk1sZNyMJLpopOjAhfPHqU3SIAqEaJBa09eFc0UBlDv4zVZ7kAfiE 6fJRmk9qHhoL0LJOmw03VYMMoCmOP6GLNSnTXDvgAo0QXBk0deUz/04FlIRKoQkUp7Kb efqsF0WUU/Yff+eskxjIOkH4Or8JF8xVX5vEi3yMlKiQlr52rSu9/f81d/wHaveb6D+r e1kY8MEOI9sBu/22mj9eXjpeajtY1NkJVPD93PBZBqlAmlVcVRstRbftrujy992lMjxe r/ODV5mRLOjq5wsLCAaeNXkE0TqPTiftID6JlkvCx0Hmo6XtUGEWqbEq5BnIIrb8b3ta Yncw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:content-disposition:in-reply-to; bh=j66nTk0Q4uyk3pGh3u+BBvOkoj+pHUFXZyIhSY7ZRwM=; b=ZKpn1OCNBULg7qwEz33nNly0uyqrDCNnHT9ZMc3lR185aIFh5zhp0APGvgCD4o4tuc UNguVFN0KN7YkhcT1cA1sJhVtQYvdJLDFlShiThHAQchkEFvc8qjpBbeLaKVhP/EOJsJ +UUmTNU24R6XYnWiZY/RFrX/XL92ws/C2YyMmt/TWuP5JrGy22RqhePzQWpvsRvDlD7T F957lFOl+YN8cATI5BY304THd5gHYljsabClX98kteE8C/bv1qccA146TO68Rtyj2Vrc EPRCXArz0mVXKwx3d9lTZmnCI03QdpTzp3nxQFvjUgjktktLY1q21h84rKGFIwcnUPsj c1Fw== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJKPSQcrgmUMolJIkw9WMPU2gRWVeoTo2jBMVR9vc+VVsoE5uUbhSfFIeOGWLELSRA== X-Received: by 10.194.48.7 with SMTP id h7mr23380046wjn.81.1457908570014; Sun, 13 Mar 2016 15:36:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zebra-laptop (cpc95004-newt38-2-0-cust40.19-3.cable.virginm.net. [77.99.30.41]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r62sm13412394wmd.15.2016.03.13.15.36.08 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 13 Mar 2016 15:36:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2016 22:36:03 +0000 From: "Stary, Tomas" To: esd-translators@fsf.org Message-ID: <20160313223603.GA20850@zebra-laptop> References: <20160227020341.GA14395@zebra-laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20160227020341.GA14395@zebra-laptop> X-detected-operating-system: by mail.fsf.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] Subject: Re: [ESD-translators] Email Self-Defense translation to Czech X-BeenThere: esd-translators@fsf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2016 22:36:17 -0000 Hi, I have now started translating the Email Self-Defense guide to Czech, but it seems that I'm the only person working on it so far. Would anyone else be interested in helping me with the Czech translation? Do you have any advice, where else could I send a plea for help. Thanks, ~T. On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 02:03:41AM +0000, Stary, Tomas wrote: > Hi, > > Is anyone working on the translation of the Email Self-Defense guide > to Czech language? > > I could possibly help with that. > > Cheers, > > Tomas From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Mar 14 01:00:22 2016 Received: from list by lists.fsf.org with public_archive (Exim 4.71) id 1afKcA-0005cp-Du for mharc-esd-translators@fsf.org; Mon, 14 Mar 2016 01:00:22 -0400 Received: from mail.fsf.org ([208.118.235.13]:44356) by lists.fsf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1afKc7-0005ci-Hf for esd-translators@fsf.org; Mon, 14 Mar 2016 01:00:20 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on mail.fsf.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00, RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:53386) by mail.fsf.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1afKc7-0007yY-2b for esd-translators@fsf.org; Mon, 14 Mar 2016 01:00:19 -0400 Received: from ineiev by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1afKc6-0000dH-Ad; Mon, 14 Mar 2016 01:00:18 -0400 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2016 01:00:18 -0400 From: Ineiev To: "Stary, Tomas" Message-ID: <20160314050017.GA23608@gnu.org> References: <20160227020341.GA14395@zebra-laptop> <20160313223603.GA20850@zebra-laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="SLDf9lqlvOQaIe6s" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20160313223603.GA20850@zebra-laptop> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-detected-operating-system: by mail.fsf.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] Cc: esd-translators@fsf.org Subject: Re: [ESD-translators] Email Self-Defense translation to Czech X-BeenThere: esd-translators@fsf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2016 05:00:20 -0000 --SLDf9lqlvOQaIe6s Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, Tomas! On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 10:36:03PM +0000, Stary, Tomas wrote: >=20 > I have now started translating the Email Self-Defense guide to Czech, > but it seems that I'm the only person working on it so far. >=20 > Would anyone else be interested in helping me with the Czech > translation? >=20 > Do you have any advice, where else could I send a plea for help. I think you could drop a message on GNU Czech translation team's mailing list, or on FSFE translators' mailing list. https://savannah.gnu.org/mail/?group=3Dwww-cs http://mail.fsfeurope.org/mailman/listinfo/translators --SLDf9lqlvOQaIe6s Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJW5kVhAAoJEOCs0+DL54dKzDUIAOHgnnG/MkL30z9KUe/ywNCR CenjWHN+KsYzH5WIra9/rYcHLAXNyqKELYERNuXd5GuzrnVCmnWY5+TA2DQgAoPo DWD2USUE3dpKDDazPM/WPG9uURpR2jZhDHH93J15xv62mz8+xCTiXc2MgA4c0kVy 4Kk4YCi8Szgw8hIRGInYDXr9aZk1P45QxA+H4v2PXI3RVkE3Wz62VufOqK0J9atB EPJMIeBxXQ3c0E3vR6BRngV2/NB8jPK8kXbq8nD5cyEezIwmujRz5UMmMFJtJL2j 2L7w+GU8mbkG4KzJax+9Wk5yqBOVoFbruJFJBY0KVZV/xSdHnDFK0EWsvJaQA5s= =QSmW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --SLDf9lqlvOQaIe6s-- From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Mar 15 05:12:55 2016 Received: from list by lists.fsf.org with public_archive (Exim 4.71) id 1afl27-0004T6-AG for mharc-esd-translators@fsf.org; Tue, 15 Mar 2016 05:12:55 -0400 Received: from mail.fsf.org ([208.118.235.13]:53018) by lists.fsf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1afl22-0004Rq-CU for esd-translators@fsf.org; Tue, 15 Mar 2016 05:12:53 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on mail.fsf.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS, T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from mail-wm0-f42.google.com ([74.125.82.42]:34788) by mail.fsf.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_ARCFOUR_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1afl22-0007AZ-0u for esd-translators@fsf.org; Tue, 15 Mar 2016 05:12:50 -0400 Received: by mail-wm0-f42.google.com with SMTP id p65so134688419wmp.1 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2016 02:12:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mime-version:content-disposition; bh=xLPwwmw/rDptl2sIDmNdCkv4Wp2UQsq6hTxyH0c0sLw=; b=cDAqPvDLbppTBvGZqHWb9ca13QfVl8nUKaHtpj4eGpz5JF5LD6IAHqrBU/kKP72467 KaepbktZrARFYMUvjT0SA2oM32frFMfMWcEXRFTlUTi2LIk5tGlF+jA6xCQrkrTEsqOk gjJGL7WSgjPTRuaUa57H5H74q9LlHWFhb0gCqZ1GFk6pssEYqjkuWwd1N78TVl7HdQPv 5bC8oCIpBVRY69Z6ZC2fs0pwX34pjROh/R8/jWT1SgQ1A0folm5VZBMcmgJk8nr88bPV FwOuTQirLY1Y7509DrNNsjS8iqPWWr1rn3jzcG5HI0iPJMRADp0CmHJNMd0+H39wLqxi ur+g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:mime-version :content-disposition; bh=xLPwwmw/rDptl2sIDmNdCkv4Wp2UQsq6hTxyH0c0sLw=; b=E9uBiiBRBClgMABS/xu0bv4wrA8vEGLojTc9k7PO+TLBoXrup3RqVwMdD4+HLaANRG 77OOPp1vUgZdTeZlGcq0e2iCqTeQHvnFx0ZIu5q1+/fUSZDT9TtV+XRiS/vf76W12oTt 7+PAd6ICUlVdPczw9etjvpHlons3wew2nyLZFQrgjpTDzA6TuT1U5BKXPU3LvqP5apVH ghdi17PdVxx3JUYDRcOW0rzow1ph2R8HTPKzU7SzdAaEBR9RKGUvi17dDeXIqeI+jBPp FSJJnGZaoFnUjtwHRH3lAAAFcFlK9mHCs9eXfLAWegUTE6jiNhAtlHNn02cqHwvxobdN 9U6A== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJItALc7M5itJ29NjCmRupwk0vnFCNgg5/4BFXSjAGG35cXjGb9mDZ56vGaxGTMRUw== X-Received: by 10.194.112.34 with SMTP id in2mr31538902wjb.160.1458033168138; Tue, 15 Mar 2016 02:12:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zebra-laptop (cpc95004-newt38-2-0-cust40.19-3.cable.virginm.net. [77.99.30.41]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id gt7sm25982576wjc.1.2016.03.15.02.12.47 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 15 Mar 2016 02:12:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2016 09:12:40 +0000 From: "Stary, Tomas" To: esd-translators@fsf.org Message-ID: <20160315091240.GA32462@zebra-laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-detected-operating-system: by mail.fsf.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] Subject: [ESD-translators] Broken link on libreplanet X-BeenThere: esd-translators@fsf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2016 09:12:53 -0000 Hi, I've noticed that the link to join the esd-translators mailinglist on the following libreplanet page is broken https://libreplanet.org/wiki/GPG_guide/Translation_Guide It is the link which invites users to the mailinglist. The error is that the link refers to https, instead of http such that https://lists.fsf.org/mailman/listinfo/esd-translators should read http://lists.fsf.org/mailman/listinfo/esd-translators I did not have the required permissions to change that. Could you please correct if you have the permissions. Otherwise other people are discouraged from joining us. Thanks! Tomas From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Mar 15 07:28:42 2016 Received: from list by lists.fsf.org with public_archive (Exim 4.71) id 1afn9W-0007AR-57 for mharc-esd-translators@fsf.org; Tue, 15 Mar 2016 07:28:42 -0400 Received: from mail.fsf.org ([208.118.235.13]:34722) by lists.fsf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1afn9P-0007AK-VA for esd-translators@fsf.org; Tue, 15 Mar 2016 07:28:40 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on mail.fsf.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, RECEIVED_FROM_WINDOWS_HOST autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from smtp1-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.1]:27679) by mail.fsf.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1afn9P-0003ID-MF for esd-translators@fsf.org; Tue, 15 Mar 2016 07:28:35 -0400 Received: from [IPv6:2a01:e35:8b11:e020:9d43:11ca:76a7:41c5] (unknown [IPv6:2a01:e35:8b11:e020:9d43:11ca:76a7:41c5]) by smtp1-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4127E940146 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2016 12:25:05 +0100 (CET) To: esd-translators@fsf.org References: <20160315091240.GA32462@zebra-laptop> From: =?UTF-8?B?VGjDqXLDqHNlIEdvZGVmcm95?= X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <56E7F1DD.201@free.fr> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2016 12:28:29 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/38.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20160315091240.GA32462@zebra-laptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by mail.fsf.org: Windows NT kernel [generic] [fuzzy] Subject: Re: [ESD-translators] Broken link on libreplanet X-BeenThere: esd-translators@fsf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2016 11:28:40 -0000 Hi Tomas, Le 15/03/2016 10:12, Stary, Tomas a =C3=A9crit : > Hi, >=20 > I've noticed that the link to join the esd-translators mailinglist on > the following libreplanet page is broken >=20 > https://libreplanet.org/wiki/GPG_guide/Translation_Guide [...] > I did not have the required permissions to change that. Could you > please correct if you have the permissions. Otherwise other people are > discouraged from joining us. I just fixed the link. 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I think it is good idea to translate the templates, rather than the compiled html pages. However, I have found some discrepancies between those two (e.g. see file en/index.html L100, and index.t.html L69). My question are: 1. do you translate the templates or the html files directly 2. if you translate templates where is the updated version of them 3. should it be reflected on the wiki [0]? (I have added a reference to the kitchen there, but now I'm not if it should be used.) Many thanks for any reply. Tomas [0] https://libreplanet.org/wiki/GPG_guide/Translation_Guide From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Mar 18 07:42:48 2016 Received: from list by lists.fsf.org with public_archive (Exim 4.71) id 1agsno-00075F-8z for mharc-esd-translators@fsf.org; Fri, 18 Mar 2016 07:42:48 -0400 Received: from mail.fsf.org ([208.118.235.13]:44296) by lists.fsf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1agsnj-000742-HX for esd-translators@fsf.org; Fri, 18 Mar 2016 07:42:46 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on mail.fsf.org X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, RECEIVED_FROM_WINDOWS_HOST autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.4]:6069) by mail.fsf.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1agsnj-0002kp-7C for esd-translators@fsf.org; Fri, 18 Mar 2016 07:42:43 -0400 Received: from [IPv6:2a01:e35:8b11:e020:25ca:62c7:997c:1d06] (unknown [IPv6:2a01:e35:8b11:e020:25ca:62c7:997c:1d06]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6C99E4C8160 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2016 12:39:01 +0100 (CET) To: esd-translators@fsf.org References: <56EBC35A.8040000@gmail.com> From: =?UTF-8?B?VGjDqXLDqHNlIEdvZGVmcm95?= X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <56EBE9AF.8010303@free.fr> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2016 12:42:39 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/38.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <56EBC35A.8040000@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by mail.fsf.org: Windows NT kernel [generic] [fuzzy] Subject: Re: [ESD-translators] state of the template manager -- kitchen X-BeenThere: esd-translators@fsf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2016 11:42:46 -0000 Hi Tomas, hi everyone, Le 18/03/2016 09:59, Tomas Stary a =C3=A9crit : > Hi, >=20 > I have realized that there are the templates in the directory kitchen > inside each individual language directory. >=20 > I think it is good idea to translate the templates, rather than the > compiled html pages. >=20 > However, I have found some discrepancies between those two (e.g. see > file en/index.html L100, and index.t.html L69). The templates are for version 3.1. This is a homemade contraption, used by very few people apparently. I update them manually from the complete pages, but at times it is difficult to keep up with Zak's modifications (which ideally should be done directly in the templates). This is why I left them at the previous version. > My question are: >=20 > 1. do you translate the templates or the html files directly Right now, it is probably better to translate the html files directly, but I also tried to use POs and that works. I made one big POT file with all the strings in it, and regenerated all the pages from it with po4a-translate. This method may be more convenient for new translations. And for old ones too, once the translations are converted. I'll post it here if anyone is interested. > 2. if you translate templates where is the updated version of them >=20 > 3. should it be reflected on the wiki [0]? (I have added a reference to > the kitchen there, but now I'm not if it should be used.) I don't think it should be mentioned in the wiki at this stage. The kitchen set up was added at version 2.1, in the hope that further modifications would be made in the templates rather than the originals, but this never happened so far. > Many thanks for any reply. >=20 > Tomas >=20 > [0] https://libreplanet.org/wiki/GPG_guide/Translation_Guide > Best, Th=C3=A9r=C3=A8se From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Mar 18 08:02:04 2016 Received: from list by lists.fsf.org with public_archive (Exim 4.71) id 1agt6S-0007TC-NG for mharc-esd-translators@fsf.org; Fri, 18 Mar 2016 08:02:04 -0400 Received: from mail.fsf.org ([208.118.235.13]:45505) by lists.fsf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1agt6L-0007T5-TE for esd-translators@fsf.org; Fri, 18 Mar 2016 08:02:03 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on mail.fsf.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS, T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from mail-wm0-f46.google.com ([74.125.82.46]:36570) by mail.fsf.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_ARCFOUR_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1agt6L-000443-Fj for esd-translators@fsf.org; Fri, 18 Mar 2016 08:01:57 -0400 Received: by mail-wm0-f46.google.com with SMTP id l124so28234431wmf.1 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2016 05:01:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=WFc/YqhMV8tB96QPk7pdYmNoEdwYu06oFfyPb/DVyvA=; b=Rouo/n9DobVDAVZG/+bAmz6391pK5GqMQbuuFrlCZcUg22tPd+U1LUehY64QaSri2v JB1BWG/hm0SWYMo1dHcynTWejM4G5O//iCIADHq/z96BzFgSOrcMfOcZo+BTX2W2mJ5b y1Lq6kKyMaD5w3AemtPJrR7gCE1LygGg687yEJwuGniTYxw6VEDfKTipWqeeJ/w4E15E owOHFavEQxsfwf/8EjN97Eq43Vh4Tuv/xFPjF2v7ooLDNdt5jqjWPO8PPJNsitXQN5a9 DA/QVchs7AVzJYKWdnpwgMNp5UryjVCsU8WGkrC6jgTJtKMnLGaqeQxz28Mdg+KtlR3r Ls/Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=WFc/YqhMV8tB96QPk7pdYmNoEdwYu06oFfyPb/DVyvA=; b=SQHAPOCkmA6i/mb6KCBVbxYOiIwIg/NguNomO/VxpuFgm5M4bf91wiBkcNmZ8TuomM rq94nQt89H4PW9U8/EPv6WVoaJMp4OUu2G/4zwN+cdQDcW6vL8MSTP2WuAdKFCUlZ8L/ amyNovhuzrlR59Epg7n2FUPTc7pnDsAhcGkZ6hMiYGxp3GyOitwZ6tUnNgP333Q8HjcH MnZPe7ZB6iUROh35fOow/ZNkmzavIe7WU0PE48KrFo5hMmWYyDvsqLttOfVkzhh/KWuc mEDjuUimHPMYEfMw8iagMnIpshXc7bqFJ51c0UCPPWquNU5SsGuFqk5yO/FJJImOHp8x dLOg== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJJbqYGE2Pn6Qi43tTDnw7J8B73YFrR7R8yX2SnXrnlGLSVrcP1ib5Kf7/g1NWaD6A== X-Received: by 10.28.46.132 with SMTP id u126mr15487612wmu.67.1458302515711; Fri, 18 Mar 2016 05:01:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [144.173.38.112] ([144.173.38.112]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id gg7sm11984254wjd.10.2016.03.18.05.01.55 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 18 Mar 2016 05:01:55 -0700 (PDT) To: esd-translators@fsf.org References: <56EBC35A.8040000@gmail.com> <56EBE9AF.8010303@free.fr> From: Tomas Stary Message-ID: <56EBEE32.6070006@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2016 12:01:54 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <56EBE9AF.8010303@free.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by mail.fsf.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] Subject: Re: [ESD-translators] state of the template manager -- kitchen X-BeenThere: esd-translators@fsf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2016 12:02:03 -0000 Thank you, Thérèse. On 18/03/16 11:42, Thérèse Godefroy wrote: > Hi Tomas, hi everyone, > > Le 18/03/2016 09:59, Tomas Stary a écrit : >> Hi, >> >> I have realized that there are the templates in the directory kitchen >> inside each individual language directory. >> >> I think it is good idea to translate the templates, rather than the >> compiled html pages. >> >> However, I have found some discrepancies between those two (e.g. see >> file en/index.html L100, and index.t.html L69). > > The templates are for version 3.1. This is a homemade contraption, used > by very few people apparently. I update them manually from the complete > pages, but at times it is difficult to keep up with Zak's modifications > (which ideally should be done directly in the templates). This is why I > left them at the previous version. > >> My question are: >> >> 1. do you translate the templates or the html files directly > > Right now, it is probably better to translate the html files directly, > but I also tried to use POs and that works. I made one big POT file with > all the strings in it, and regenerated all the pages from it with > po4a-translate. This method may be more convenient for new translations. > And for old ones too, once the translations are converted. I'll post it > here if anyone is interested. > I would definitely be interested to know about anything which makes the translation of repeated text more automatic (kill-yank is boring and prone to errors). >> 2. if you translate templates where is the updated version of them >> >> 3. should it be reflected on the wiki [0]? (I have added a reference to >> the kitchen there, but now I'm not if it should be used.) > > I don't think it should be mentioned in the wiki at this stage. The > kitchen set up was added at version 2.1, in the hope that further > modifications would be made in the templates rather than the originals, > but this never happened so far. I have undo the reference I put there now. > >> Many thanks for any reply. >> >> Tomas >> >> [0] https://libreplanet.org/wiki/GPG_guide/Translation_Guide >> > > Best, > Thérèse > > > _______________________________________________ > ESD-translators mailing list > ESD-translators@fsf.org > http://lists.fsf.org/mailman/listinfo/esd-translators > Tomas From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Mar 23 06:35:16 2016 Received: from list by lists.fsf.org with public_archive (Exim 4.71) id 1aig8C-000171-Ky for mharc-esd-translators@fsf.org; Wed, 23 Mar 2016 06:35:16 -0400 Received: from mail.fsf.org ([208.118.235.13]:35357) by lists.fsf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aig88-00016u-6Z for esd-translators@fsf.org; Wed, 23 Mar 2016 06:35:15 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on mail.fsf.org X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, RECEIVED_FROM_WINDOWS_HOST autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from smtp1-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.1]:32791) by mail.fsf.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aig87-0002Fa-Sy for esd-translators@fsf.org; Wed, 23 Mar 2016 06:35:12 -0400 Received: from [IPv6:2a01:e35:8b11:e020:dd42:d4b6:d1a3:6698] (unknown [IPv6:2a01:e35:8b11:e020:dd42:d4b6:d1a3:6698]) by smtp1-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2C97D940117 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2016 11:31:26 +0100 (CET) To: esd-translators@fsf.org References: <56EBC35A.8040000@gmail.com> <56EBE9AF.8010303@free.fr> <56EBEE32.6070006@gmail.com> From: =?UTF-8?B?VGjDqXLDqHNlIEdvZGVmcm95?= X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <56F2715C.7050405@free.fr> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2016 11:35:08 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/38.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <56EBEE32.6070006@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by mail.fsf.org: Windows NT kernel [generic] [fuzzy] Subject: Re: [ESD-translators] state of the template manager -- kitchen X-BeenThere: esd-translators@fsf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2016 10:35:15 -0000 Hello Stari, hello everyone, Sorry for taking so long. Le 18/03/2016 13:01, Tomas Stary a =C3=A9crit : [...] >>> 1. do you translate the templates or the html files directly >> >> Right now, it is probably better to translate the html files directly, >> but I also tried to use POs and that works. I made one big POT file wi= th >> all the strings in it, and regenerated all the pages from it with >> po4a-translate. This method may be more convenient for new translation= s. >> And for old ones too, once the translations are converted. I'll post i= t >> here if anyone is interested. >> >=20 > I would definitely be interested to know about anything which makes the > translation of repeated text more automatic (kill-yank is boring and > prone to errors). This is one of the problems that needs to be addressed, but there are several more: * The language list is not standardized at all right now, as pointed out by Zak [0]. * We don't have access to a test server anymore [1]. As a result, we need to be extra careful with HTML tags. * The format of the English version, with all those divs, tabs, spaces and line feeds (or lack of them) makes it difficulty to identify paragrap= hs. Switching to the PO system could help. I have a feeling that many ESD translators are familiar with it, from gnu.org or otherwise. Here is the principle, for those who are not. POs are catalogs in which each original string of a document is followed by its translation. The workflow looks like this: - extraction of the English strings from the HTML is done by a script; - the translator fills up the blanks; - the translated page is generated by a script from the PO and the original HTML; - after an original string is modified in the HTML, the modification is merged into the PO by a script, and the affected string is marked fuzzy; - the translator fixes the fuzzy string without looking at the rest (if a new string is added, it will be conspicuous in a PO editor). - the updated translation is regenerated by a script. Here is how it would help us: * As mentioned before, a single PO can be used to generate all the pages. For us, it would be equivalent to a templating system since each string appears only once. The PO is rather big, but index.html accounts for more than half of it. * The language list doesn't need to be in the PO. It can be added separately after the translated page is regenerated, and even customized with the "current" class. * There is be no need for a test server, since the translated page has exactly the same structure as the original page. * A comment above each original string shows which tag it comes from (

or

  • for instance). Thus paragraphs are pretty well identified. As you see, the only thing the translator does is translate. But there is a cost: - The original has to be strict XHTML (right now it is, and there are automatic ways to make sure it stays that way). - The PO format is rather strict (but PO editors take care of that). - Any small change to an original string will make it fuzzy, even an extra space. - Conversion of an existing translation to the PO format can be rather tedious if its structure doesn't exactly match the original. But this happens only once. - The extra tabs, spaces and line feeds shouldn't matter, but in fact they make regeneration of the translated page unreliable. I use a script to standardize the original HTML; it also makes it a lot more readable. This script could be run systematically after each change. To sum up: do we need to give GNUN (the gnu.org's translation system) a baby brother? WDYT? Best, Th=C3=A9r=C3=A8se [0] http://lists.fsf.org/archive/html/esd-translators/2016-02/msg00011.ht= ml [1] http://lists.fsf.org/archive/html/esd-translators/2016-02/msg00005.ht= ml From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Mar 25 04:56:37 2016 Received: from list by lists.fsf.org with public_archive (Exim 4.71) id 1ajNXp-0003b7-7N for mharc-esd-translators@fsf.org; Fri, 25 Mar 2016 04:56:37 -0400 Received: from mail.fsf.org ([208.118.235.13]:40876) by lists.fsf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ajNXn-0003b1-Sn for esd-translators@fsf.org; Fri, 25 Mar 2016 04:56:36 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on mail.fsf.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_40, RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:41995) by mail.fsf.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ajNXn-0002QQ-IP for esd-translators@fsf.org; Fri, 25 Mar 2016 04:56:35 -0400 Received: from ineiev by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ajNXn-0000TQ-39; Fri, 25 Mar 2016 04:56:35 -0400 Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2016 04:56:35 -0400 From: Ineiev To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Th=E9r=E8se?= Godefroy Message-ID: <20160325085634.GE10432@gnu.org> References: <56EBC35A.8040000@gmail.com> <56EBE9AF.8010303@free.fr> <56EBEE32.6070006@gmail.com> <56F2715C.7050405@free.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="+ts6NCQ4mrNQIV8p" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <56F2715C.7050405@free.fr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-detected-operating-system: by mail.fsf.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] Cc: esd-translators@fsf.org Subject: Re: [ESD-translators] state of the template manager -- kitchen X-BeenThere: esd-translators@fsf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2016 08:56:36 -0000 --+ts6NCQ4mrNQIV8p Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, Th=E9r=E8se! On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 11:35:08AM +0100, Th=E9r=E8se Godefroy wrote: >=20 > Switching to the PO system could help. Of course, I'm used to this workflow, but I wonder how hard we should push for it; some translators may find it very inconvenient. > * There is be no need for a test server, since the translated page has > exactly the same structure as the original page. 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[77.99.30.41]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id ll9sm19325772wjc.29.2016.03.27.01.16.01 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 27 Mar 2016 01:16:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2016 09:15:59 +0100 From: "Stary, Tomas" To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Th=E9r=E8se?= Godefroy Message-ID: <20160327081558.GA30658@zebra-laptop> References: <56EBC35A.8040000@gmail.com> <56EBE9AF.8010303@free.fr> <56EBEE32.6070006@gmail.com> <56F2715C.7050405@free.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <56F2715C.7050405@free.fr> X-detected-operating-system: by mail.fsf.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] Cc: esd-translators@fsf.org Subject: Re: [ESD-translators] state of the template manager -- kitchen X-BeenThere: esd-translators@fsf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2016 08:16:10 -0000 Hi Thérèse, everyone, I'm new in the translations, so I don't exactly know how does it work in other projects. The system you suggest seems quite convenient to me. If I understand it correctly it can not only deal with the text repeated on multiple pages, but also addresses the updates in the original page, which would be great for the translations of the future updates of the original text. Is it an automatic procedure to generate the POT files for the project? I have found that xgettext can be used to get the strings to be translated from the programs source files, but xgettext does not support html. In my previous comment I was only the concerned about the text repeated on multiple pages, which complicates the translation and corrections of translated text. In my naive view this could be solved simply by splitting the documents into a number of template pages based on the criteria of text repetitions. The template files could be then concatenated together to generate the target page, such that the files with the repeated text would be reused. I would probably choose to do this task using Makefile script as it is what I am most familiar with. However, regarding the splitting into template pages, I can only think of a manual way of doing it. Best, Tomas On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 11:35:08AM +0100, Thérèse Godefroy wrote: > Hello Stari, hello everyone, > > Sorry for taking so long. > > Le 18/03/2016 13:01, Tomas Stary a écrit : > [...] > >>> 1. do you translate the templates or the html files directly > >> > >> Right now, it is probably better to translate the html files directly, > >> but I also tried to use POs and that works. I made one big POT file with > >> all the strings in it, and regenerated all the pages from it with > >> po4a-translate. This method may be more convenient for new translations. > >> And for old ones too, once the translations are converted. I'll post it > >> here if anyone is interested. > >> > > > > I would definitely be interested to know about anything which makes the > > translation of repeated text more automatic (kill-yank is boring and > > prone to errors). > > This is one of the problems that needs to be addressed, but there are > several more: > > * The language list is not standardized at all right now, as pointed out > by Zak [0]. > > * We don't have access to a test server anymore [1]. As a result, we > need to be extra careful with HTML tags. > > * The format of the English version, with all those divs, tabs, spaces > and line feeds (or lack of them) makes it difficulty to identify paragraphs. > > Switching to the PO system could help. I have a feeling that many ESD > translators are familiar with it, from gnu.org or otherwise. Here is the > principle, for those who are not. > > POs are catalogs in which each original string of a document is followed > by its translation. The workflow looks like this: > - extraction of the English strings from the HTML is done by a script; > - the translator fills up the blanks; > - the translated page is generated by a script from the PO and the > original HTML; > - after an original string is modified in the HTML, the modification is > merged into the PO by a script, and the affected string is marked fuzzy; > - the translator fixes the fuzzy string without looking at the rest (if > a new string is added, it will be conspicuous in a PO editor). > - the updated translation is regenerated by a script. > > Here is how it would help us: > > * As mentioned before, a single PO can be used to generate all the > pages. For us, it would be equivalent to a templating system since each > string appears only once. The PO is rather big, but index.html accounts > for more than half of it. > > * The language list doesn't need to be in the PO. It can be added > separately after the translated page is regenerated, and even customized > with the "current" class. > > * There is be no need for a test server, since the translated page has > exactly the same structure as the original page. > > * A comment above each original string shows which tag it comes from > (

    or

  • for instance). Thus paragraphs are pretty well identified. > > As you see, the only thing the translator does is translate. But there > is a cost: > - The original has to be strict XHTML (right now it is, and there are > automatic ways to make sure it stays that way). > - The PO format is rather strict (but PO editors take care of that). > - Any small change to an original string will make it fuzzy, even an > extra space. > - Conversion of an existing translation to the PO format can be rather > tedious if its structure doesn't exactly match the original. But this > happens only once. > - The extra tabs, spaces and line feeds shouldn't matter, but in fact > they make regeneration of the translated page unreliable. I use a script > to standardize the original HTML; it also makes it a lot more readable. > This script could be run systematically after each change. > > > To sum up: do we need to give GNUN (the gnu.org's translation system) a > baby brother? WDYT? > > Best, > Thérèse > > [0] http://lists.fsf.org/archive/html/esd-translators/2016-02/msg00011.html > [1] http://lists.fsf.org/archive/html/esd-translators/2016-02/msg00005.html > > _______________________________________________ > ESD-translators mailing list > ESD-translators@fsf.org > http://lists.fsf.org/mailman/listinfo/esd-translators From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Mar 27 05:41:43 2016 Received: from list by lists.fsf.org with public_archive (Exim 4.71) id 1ak7CZ-0000SW-Rx for mharc-esd-translators@fsf.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2016 05:41:43 -0400 Received: from mail.fsf.org ([208.118.235.13]:50680) by lists.fsf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ak7CT-0000SQ-R1 for esd-translators@fsf.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2016 05:41:41 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on mail.fsf.org X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, RECEIVED_FROM_WINDOWS_HOST autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from smtp3-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.3]:44373) by mail.fsf.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ak7CT-0007u5-Gi for esd-translators@fsf.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2016 05:41:37 -0400 Received: from [IPv6:2a01:e35:8b11:e020:91fd:46c7:f574:703d] (unknown [IPv6:2a01:e35:8b11:e020:91fd:46c7:f574:703d]) by smtp3-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C8A8AA6292 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2016 11:37:25 +0200 (CEST) References: <56EBC35A.8040000@gmail.com> <56EBE9AF.8010303@free.fr> <56EBEE32.6070006@gmail.com> <56F2715C.7050405@free.fr> <20160327081558.GA30658@zebra-laptop> From: =?UTF-8?B?VGjDqXLDqHNlIEdvZGVmcm95?= X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 To: esd-translators@fsf.org Message-ID: <56F7AACE.8010802@free.fr> Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2016 11:41:34 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/38.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20160327081558.GA30658@zebra-laptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by mail.fsf.org: Windows NT kernel [generic] [fuzzy] Subject: Re: [ESD-translators] state of the template manager -- kitchen X-BeenThere: esd-translators@fsf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2016 09:41:41 -0000 Hi Tomas, hi everyone, Le 27/03/2016 10:15, Stary, Tomas a =C3=A9crit : > Hi Th=C3=A9r=C3=A8se, everyone, >=20 > I'm new in the translations, so I don't exactly know how does it work > in other projects. >=20 > The system you suggest seems quite convenient to me. If I understand > it correctly it can not only deal with the text repeated on multiple > pages, but also addresses the updates in the original page, which > would be great for the translations of the future updates of the > original text. >=20 > Is it an automatic procedure to generate the POT files for the > project? I have found that xgettext can be used to get the strings to > be translated from the programs source files, but xgettext does not > support html. You are right, gettext can't extract strings from HTML. For that, you need PO4A [0] (a sort of wrapper around gettext tools, which only works on strict XHTML by the way). Sorry I wasn't specific enough in my previous post. To create a POT file, you only need one command (e.g. po4a-gettextize without specifying a translation). This can be automated, of course, but I don't think we have new files often enough to make it worthwhile. On the other hand, it may be worthwhile to automate updating the POTs and the POs. > In my previous comment I was only the concerned about the text > repeated on multiple pages, which complicates the translation and > corrections of translated text. >=20 > In my naive view this could be solved simply by splitting the > documents into a number of template pages based on the criteria of > text repetitions. The template files could be then concatenated > together to generate the target page, such that the files with the > repeated text would be reused. This is what Raffael is doing, I believe. It works fine too. > I would probably choose to do this task using Makefile script as it is > what I am most familiar with. However, regarding the splitting into > template pages, I can only think of a manual way of doing it. If the splitting is done only once, that's OK. But our problem is that so far Zak has been providing the complete pages, not the pieces. So, we have to find out which pieces have been modified, and update the corresponding translations. I make colored diffs to visualize the changes but in my experience it's not foolproof. POs are more reliable. I'm not familiar with makefiles. Would you help with that? Getting closer and closer to GNUN [1]... ;-) > Best, >=20 > Tomas Best, Th=C3=A9r=C3=A8se [0] http://dev.man-online.org/man7/po4a/ [1] https://www.gnu.org/software/trans-coord/manual/gnun/gnun.html From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Mar 27 23:47:14 2016 Received: from list by lists.fsf.org with public_archive (Exim 4.71) id 1akO94-0004Q5-DA for mharc-esd-translators@fsf.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2016 23:47:14 -0400 Received: from mail.fsf.org ([208.118.235.13]:34563) by lists.fsf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1akO8z-0004PU-Mh for esd-translators@fsf.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2016 23:47:12 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on mail.fsf.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_PASS, T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from mail-wm0-f50.google.com ([74.125.82.50]:38063) by mail.fsf.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_ARCFOUR_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1akO8z-0002RB-A3 for esd-translators@fsf.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2016 23:47:09 -0400 Received: by mail-wm0-f50.google.com with SMTP id 20so4071020wmh.1 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2016 20:47:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to; bh=5JDjgFviAIgQ61A3oxmneTPMrt2s+Kh4yUE8EV8riHk=; b=G+IS9O9cMUHps21meBdmZuF9FFAb47KfZ49l7vAVTCdLsnFtSL0Vy9DSiZt+zn4d0b cfwmkZB/l98G6QwQ6ltU6tTsXaZguz7VslT8hnJ7Y+3Uo2H7Ot2WBVkkJEEqlPM0ghoH OW2CzN9tnznneX7zRpb0VkpyvS2Mc0V9ZZql8L6sHkj7hvgailgtbMqYhmmhW0keDRBn UAEcQX9gTvw5KtH86NGklRaSOfkt2wFjPNwYD1HaJTltL5AxPRPuL5T7iD7zuvwcdZHi Hrp2uvJcwgBHqlwEIrC5JsfMnqOLY43+oEAIM0i+6POrrQJJMY6Be7Y7S5h2rmIf7Qvn LvNg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding :in-reply-to; bh=5JDjgFviAIgQ61A3oxmneTPMrt2s+Kh4yUE8EV8riHk=; b=i7Gi28AeabcARNv8FDGIZfyqQI+PzW8EbgjoFkjttxFgWO1mTq1xa7wEqEEi/LJoIh kihT0bAmrmTgygut5Ta5K+DnJqLEXHblTZkCdKPAb/OZlq1WPpZlzSuNi+iZjxzh87Fr a3H8D+yQ/+vL/LV/VgrLxi6LJ/V4zVoid4lodFWlv9Hq3OmyTklN9ohNug+vMQjhFSjU 3gpit52sGEF/lKeaS3QrVAslXQJ+myqgXDrub422ZNZ6JlQvpO9hyatvsoYpS6JAlI/h gq1zp9TfHmwHXa4WXhDuWB43UoW1WBqnvwDnqxEuNEgm+wemX2HEkZInaDH5nID0PduM DK6g== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJLFq6CUUmTdbGJOau2kpnpS4ok4wp7R5GS+JQ1MHvYKrUNXYnJFI+CkgiQSv3FuAw== X-Received: by 10.194.172.3 with SMTP id ay3mr26437910wjc.155.1459136827390; Sun, 27 Mar 2016 20:47:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zebra-laptop (cpc95004-newt38-2-0-cust40.19-3.cable.virginm.net. [77.99.30.41]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c71sm8267583wmd.4.2016.03.27.20.47.06 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 27 Mar 2016 20:47:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2016 04:47:03 +0100 From: "Stary, Tomas" To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Th=E9r=E8se?= Godefroy Message-ID: <20160328034702.GA2846@zebra-laptop> References: <56EBC35A.8040000@gmail.com> <56EBE9AF.8010303@free.fr> <56EBEE32.6070006@gmail.com> <56F2715C.7050405@free.fr> <20160327081558.GA30658@zebra-laptop> <56F7AACE.8010802@free.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <56F7AACE.8010802@free.fr> X-detected-operating-system: by mail.fsf.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] Cc: esd-translators@fsf.org Subject: Re: [ESD-translators] state of the template manager -- kitchen X-BeenThere: esd-translators@fsf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2016 03:47:13 -0000 Hi Thérèse, hi all, Thanks for the tip. I have now started using the po4a and it works very good for me. I think it should be the preferred way of working for anyone who is starting a new translation from scratch. I can also see benefits of the system for existing translation, but it is up to you if you decide to migrate to this system. If yes, I have described the process here. I have set the system to initiate the PO files and I have also prepared Makescript to make the process more straight-forward. I have committed them into git under the branch po4a (it could be merged to master branch if you are happy with it). I used po4a-gettextize to get the strings from the original HTML files. For making the POT file it works well (it recognises repeated strings automatically). The POT file can be simply copied to make a PO file you decide to start a translation into a new language. Then the PO files can be edited in text editors (I have used poedit[0], and Emacs with po-mode[1]). The situation is a bit more complicated with the languages that already have the translation. The po4a-gettextize allows specifying existing translations, but the version of the original has to be the same as of the existing translation. Then it can extract the translated strings into PO file directly. I have tried it with a few translations in ESD, and non of them worked on the first time. This was because there are mistakes which were introduced due to editing the HTML files directly. But I think it should not be too difficult to correct those mistakes (po4a-gettextize gives very indicative error messages). Once the translation has been extracted into a PO file, it can always be updated for the new versions of the original files. This is done using po4a-updatepo. Then the updated string can be translated in your editor of PO files. Finally, when the translation of PO files has been finished, we can generate the translated HTML files using po4a-translate. To make it more simple, I have prepared Makefile with all the required commands for the creation of empty template POT files, extraction of PO files with strings from an existing translation, and update of the PO file for a new version. The generation of the translated HTML is done by commands in Makefile.gen. I have tried to put a lot of comments in the Makefiles, but perhaps some bits might not be completely clear. I have found the manual pages[2] of po4a quite helpful (especially the Graphical overview). [0] http://poedit.net [1] https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/PoMode [2] dev.man-online.org/man7/po4a/ Cheers, Tomas On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 11:41:34AM +0200, Thérèse Godefroy wrote: > Hi Tomas, hi everyone, > > Le 27/03/2016 10:15, Stary, Tomas a écrit : > > Hi Thérèse, everyone, > > > > I'm new in the translations, so I don't exactly know how does it work > > in other projects. > > > > The system you suggest seems quite convenient to me. If I understand > > it correctly it can not only deal with the text repeated on multiple > > pages, but also addresses the updates in the original page, which > > would be great for the translations of the future updates of the > > original text. > > > > Is it an automatic procedure to generate the POT files for the > > project? I have found that xgettext can be used to get the strings to > > be translated from the programs source files, but xgettext does not > > support html. > > You are right, gettext can't extract strings from HTML. For that, you > need PO4A [0] (a sort of wrapper around gettext tools, which only works > on strict XHTML by the way). Sorry I wasn't specific enough in my > previous post. > > To create a POT file, you only need one command (e.g. po4a-gettextize > without specifying a translation). This can be automated, of course, but > I don't think we have new files often enough to make it worthwhile. On > the other hand, it may be worthwhile to automate updating the POTs and > the POs. > > > > In my previous comment I was only the concerned about the text > > repeated on multiple pages, which complicates the translation and > > corrections of translated text. > > > > In my naive view this could be solved simply by splitting the > > documents into a number of template pages based on the criteria of > > text repetitions. The template files could be then concatenated > > together to generate the target page, such that the files with the > > repeated text would be reused. > > This is what Raffael is doing, I believe. It works fine too. > > > > I would probably choose to do this task using Makefile script as it is > > what I am most familiar with. However, regarding the splitting into > > template pages, I can only think of a manual way of doing it. > > If the splitting is done only once, that's OK. But our problem is that > so far Zak has been providing the complete pages, not the pieces. So, > we have to find out which pieces have been modified, and update the > corresponding translations. I make colored diffs to visualize the > changes but in my experience it's not foolproof. POs are more reliable. > > I'm not familiar with makefiles. Would you help with that? > Getting closer and closer to GNUN [1]... ;-) > > > Best, > > > > Tomas > > Best, > Thérèse > > [0] http://dev.man-online.org/man7/po4a/ > [1] https://www.gnu.org/software/trans-coord/manual/gnun/gnun.html > > > _______________________________________________ > ESD-translators mailing list > ESD-translators@fsf.org > http://lists.fsf.org/mailman/listinfo/esd-translators From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Mar 28 15:03:08 2016 Received: from list by lists.fsf.org with public_archive (Exim 4.71) id 1akcRQ-00055f-DZ for mharc-esd-translators@fsf.org; Mon, 28 Mar 2016 15:03:08 -0400 Received: from mail.fsf.org ([208.118.235.13]:57537) by lists.fsf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1akcRM-00055Z-2V for esd-translators@fsf.org; Mon, 28 Mar 2016 15:03:07 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on mail.fsf.org X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, RECEIVED_FROM_WINDOWS_HOST autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from smtp6-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.6]:16385) by mail.fsf.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1akcRL-00081h-JS for esd-translators@fsf.org; Mon, 28 Mar 2016 15:03:03 -0400 Received: from [IPv6:2a01:e35:8b11:e020:44a5:d622:45dd:2332] (unknown [IPv6:2a01:e35:8b11:e020:44a5:d622:45dd:2332]) by smtp6-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 22ED78226E; Mon, 28 Mar 2016 20:59:12 +0200 (CEST) From: =?UTF-8?B?VGjDqXLDqHNlIEdvZGVmcm95?= To: "Stary, Tomas" References: <56EBC35A.8040000@gmail.com> <56EBE9AF.8010303@free.fr> <56EBEE32.6070006@gmail.com> <56F2715C.7050405@free.fr> <20160327081558.GA30658@zebra-laptop> <56F7AACE.8010802@free.fr> <20160328034702.GA2846@zebra-laptop> X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <56F97FE1.8060707@free.fr> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2016 21:02:57 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/38.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20160328034702.GA2846@zebra-laptop> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------000608040205020105020502" X-detected-operating-system: by mail.fsf.org: Windows NT kernel [generic] [fuzzy] Cc: esd-translators@fsf.org Subject: Re: [ESD-translators] state of the template manager -- kitchen X-BeenThere: esd-translators@fsf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2016 19:03:07 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000608040205020105020502 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Tomas, hello all, Le 28/03/2016 05:47, Stary, Tomas a =C3=A9crit : [...] > I have now started using the po4a and it works > very good for me. I think it should be the preferred way of working for > anyone who is starting a new translation from scratch. I can also see > benefits of the system for existing translation, but it is up to you > if you decide to migrate to this system. If yes, I have described the > process here. [...] That's a very good summary. gnu.org has a short but detailed howto for POedit [3]. We could probably adapt it to our workflow. > To make it more simple, I have prepared Makefile with all the required > commands for the creation of empty template POT files, extraction of > PO files with strings from an existing translation, and update of the > PO file for a new version. The generation of the translated HTML is > done by commands in Makefile.gen. Beautiful! Here are some variations that you might consider: 1. In Makefile (po4a-gettextize): Disable extraction of